Hot Fein Multimaster

Kodi Crescent

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I have a Fein Multimaster that's about a decade old.  I use it intermittently for various home improvement projects.  The last few times I've used it, the black metal section above the motor casing (where the blade connects) has become extremely hot.  Not quite hot enough to sizzle water, but too hot to hold.

For those with Multimasters, is this heat normal or is something wrong?

Thanks!
 
I don't remember mine getting that hot when I used it. It did get warm during extended operation but so hot I couldn't hold it. I also haven't used it much since I got the Vecturo, which is essentially the same tool just the Festool version.

Possibly the lube in the gearbox is dried up and not providing the necessary lubrication.

I think my MultiMaster may end up being a gift ot my SIL who has taken an interest in woodworking. I recently passed on to him my PC Biscuit Joiner and an Akeda Dovetail Jig, neither of which I have used in five years so I figured I didn't need them with the DF500 and DF700 and I have a PC Dovetail jig so the Akeda was just talking up space in my shop. Nothing wrong with it just need more room for Systainers. :-)
 
This is not good. If your powertool becomes too hot it means the motor is broken. It does not spin around anymore but vibrates in place. You think the motor is still working because it makes noise and moves, but the anchor and fan do not spin anymore so it displaces no air to cool it, which makes your tool too hot to hold.
 
If it looks like this model the housing does indeed get pretty hot. After 10-15 minutes of continuous use, I'd have to put on heavy leather gloves to continue to use it. After still more use, I'd have to swap it between the right and and left hand to allow the glove to cool down.  [eek]

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Thanks.  Mine isn't the old one where the blade screws in.  Mine has a lever and a pin which hold the blade in place.  I can at the very least take the motor housing and the gearbox apart, clean out the dust and dirt and check the brushes.  I think I saw somewhere that the gearbox is sealed.  Perhaps there's a way to disassemble it and grease it.
 
If you manage to take it apart, let me know how you did it, I tried but failed. Mine (FMM250Q) is also broken for some yet indeterminable reason and I tried to take it apart but after taking out all the screws the front part and the plastic body won't come apart.
 
You didn't say which model you have, but here is a link to the Fein parts page for the FMM350Q which is a NA model.
You can see how it's puts together, which may help understand the disassembly process. Also notice the tube of grease in the parts list.
https://vserv09.fein.bawue.com/spc/index.php?r=item/list&id=8878

They have manuals and exploded parts diagrams for all the multitools listed. Nothing there about replacing grease after x number of hours or troubleshooting any problems such as overheating. Didn't see anything about duty cycle or run times, or max operating temperatures. Only mention of maintenance is blow out any dust with dry, oil-free compressed air occasionally.
 
From the information Bob provided, it appears that the head (right angle drive) is a non-serviceable item. You'd just swap it out for a new head.

I'm shocked at the prices of the replacement parts. Pretty reasonable compared to Festool pricing. A speed control for $53, and an armature for $59.
 
Yeah, the whole head was $129 on eReplacementparts
 
The model I have is the 250Q.  I pulled it apart as far as I dared, which wasn't very far.  From what I understand, the gearbox area is sealed and not user serviceable.

I have some theories as to why the unit ran so hot.  As you can see from the pictures, the unit is caked with drywall dust.  Everywhere. I suspect that drywall dust is a poor conductor of heat and reduced the cooling effectiveness of the design. 

The fan vanes were heavily caked with drywall dust, and I suspect that the dust buildup changed the airfoil shape, further reducing airflow.

Finally, I suspect my use method didn't help either.  I tend to grasp the tool at the head, and my hand most likely covers the fan openings.

I took pictures of how everything looked when I pulled it apart.  I cleaned the dissembled parts with compressed air, electronics cleaner, and soap and water (non-metal or electric parts).

I don't have a project I need this for at the moment, so it's unclear whether the cleaning and change in technique resolved the heat problem.  I'll report back after the next project.
 

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Kodi Crescent said:
I have some theories as to why the unit ran so hot.  As you can see from the pictures, the unit is caked with drywall dust.  Everywhere. I suspect that drywall dust is a poor conductor of heat and reduced the cooling effectiveness of the design. 

The fan vanes were heavily caked with drywall dust, and I suspect that the dust buildup changed the airfoil shape, further reducing airflow.

Thanks for the nice pictures. The small amount of caked dust I see has no influence on your cooling though, that can't be the problem.

Do I see correctly on your pictures there are 2 wires going to the electronics module? Mine has 3.
 
Alex, does your electrical code allow double-insulated tools to have a two prong plug?
The code might be the reason for the difference.
 
I have found with any Fein multi tool previous to the latest models have the potential to run very warm and often hot.
I have mentioned this before on this site. The main cause is simply design, these multi tools in their class, are the most powerful out there, both in mains powered and cordless. There are certainly no issues with the power or actual working performance, in that department they are superb. The problem is, there is no anti vibe to soak up the vibration, and the air venting in my opinion is also a concern.

I have had serious overheating issues with two previous model 18 volt Supercuts. At first the guy I spoke with at Fein, who carries out warranty repairs, was basically saying it was bad luck or an isolated case. After the problems repeated and I spoke to the technical manager, I was this time around told the truth, and that it was a big problem with these tools.

I suggested they should have shock absorbers between the motor and casing, or between the body and battery like many other power tools have, and sufficient air venting.
The chap told me a new model (the current version) was planned, and this would remove the issues.

My machines were only ever used on speed #1 sometimes for lengthy periods but, within Feins guidelines and recommendations. They got hot enough to weld the batteries to the casing, ruining both the batteries and the casings.

Even out of warranty I have changed the casings twice at my own cost. I wasn’t happy at all and said I’d never buy Fein again. Then one of the chaps that works for me bought the latest 18 volt Supercut, and after seeing it perform for a few years without issue, I changed my mind, and bought one. They still have the added PTFE pads added, which was a concern when I saw it, as that was part of a cheap fix on my old machines but, in operation, the heat and vibration is not that of previous models.

They are superb, and without doubt the best multi tool out there, rivalled only by the Vecturo, which is the same machine in different clothes.

Since having my own overheating experiences with these tools, I have spoken to other users, some have suffered the same, and the only conclusion I could come to, was no matter what the machine was being used for, even on the lowest speed, it seemed to be prolonged use that causes the over heating. By prolonged, I mean more than a minute or two, which is one of the reasons I bought mine in the first place.

The blurb said “Mains power from a cordless tool” and “Great battery life for prolonged user application”

I was very disappointed with my earlier Fein experiences, especially considering the money I’d shelled out, even a discount offer on the new models would have been a gesture but, all I got was a new casing and battery, and some PTFE pads and tape added to cutdown on friction, which was repeated 5 months later when they failed again?

Anyway, onwards and upwards, the new ones are very nice machines and my only niggle is the blade patent is again tied up, so blades are costly.
Great machines again now though.  [thumbs up]
 
Bob D. said:
Alex, does your electrical code allow double-insulated tools to have a two prong plug?
The code might be the reason for the difference.

Yes my code allows that. It is not the mains cord from the outside that has 3 wires, but the wires that go into the motor from the electronics module. Maybe a heat sensor.
 
I have a new conclusion as to what's causing the heat problem.  It's part technique, part conduction.

I was using the MM this morning (with sanding profiles) to widen a tight dado.  After sanding for about a minute, medium pressure, I stopped the unit and felt the profile.  Extremely hot!  The gearbox and motor casings were only slightly warm. 

My theory is that heat associated with sanding, cutting, etc. is conducted through the attachments into the head.  Prolonged time cutting, sanding, etc. isn't providing enough cooling exposure to reduce the heat.

Changing my method may help.  Plunging in and out of operations, as opposed to powering through, may provide cooling relief and reduce heat build-up.  I'll change technique and see what happens.
 
Forcing a multi tool like any other tool will stress it’s operation, blunt the blade quicker and in turn strain the motor, causing friction and heat. Similar to when somebody is using an electric or cordless drill and applying too much pressure.

So you may be right, it could be technique, in our case it wasn’t. I even bought bail handles for our Supercuts, so they could be gripped better without being forced from around the battery area, and this also helped keep the air vents unobscured. We even even laid one on a mat, switched on without a blade attached and let it run for a few minutes, and it got vey hot, more so than when being hand held.

They were different models to yours though, so who knows?
I have owned and used a few older and different type Fein multis, and they all got a lot warmer than what I was comfortable with.
The latest ones, even when used for longer periods so far, haven’t suffered this?
 
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