How are ya doing?

Just got an email from a kitchen designer that I do a lot of business with to put together and install some cabinets from IKEA...hee hee, no joke, couldn't believe my eyes.  [eek]

Should I turn it down on principle (sp?) or charge a decent rate and make some money?  I choose the latter, I like having a roof over my head.

Jon
 
In a previous life (about 10-20 years ago)  we installed Big Box store kitchens, both in-store displays and mainly retail sales.  Name a national store in Chicago at that time (a couple mentioned in this thread were Major customers) , we installed their product.  At our peak, we had 30-40 crews.

Best materials? No.  Did we demand the best practices from our installers?  Absolutely!!!  Who gets hurt from this business plan?  I advocate nobody.  The customer generally knows the product level they are buying, but still deserve the best installation techniques. 

Now:  For many reasons, I am in a new life, installing very high end cabinet and crown jobs on my own.  I am lucky that I have been "somewhat" insulated from these current tough times, but I am taking some jobs that I would not consider a couple of years ago.  Some even involving materials that I would prefer not to use.  However, I still give it my all to install those products professionally and to the highest possible standards. 

Again I ask, who gets hurt from this plan?

I am very, very good at what I do;  but I am not an artist, maybe not even a craftsman.  I provide a professional service to the buying public.  I will continue to provide what the buyer wants.  I'll leave philosophy to those that would prefer to pine for the good ol' days.  No street corners or sign boards for me!

Dan

 
Per Swenson said:
You don't need me, you need Ikea and a Bed Bath and beyond Catalog.

Then 10 years down the road, while your changing wives and lifestyles.
My humble work will be 5 years in the dumpster based on your girlfriends other whim.

Per

Ain't that the truth.

Per, around here I think people are afraid to do any home improvements because of the lost home values.  My buddy who does marble and granite fab can't give his stuff away.
 
jvsteenb said:
Per,

I respect your opinion ( very much so ) but I don't quite grasp what "dignity" has to do with the material you use ? Perhaps it's my lesser understanding of your language ( i'm not a native speaker ) but in my somewhat simple book dignity is quite closely coupled to honesty.

About 30 years ago when Stowe began selling EFIS around here many commercial contractors wouldn't touch "that junk".  It's not a 'permanent' building material, in their eyes anyway, and they didn't want their name attached to it.  Roofing contractors had the same feeling for rubber roofs.

Dignity.  I think it's the difference between a job/paycheck and putting your soul into your work.  Ever seen a building the craftsman signed?  At the glass warehouse at Kokomo Opalescent Glass (KOG for short  ;) ) the carpenters signed and dated the trusses.  We have friends who discovered the plasterers signatures when they were renovating their old house.  Those signatures are now framed and exposed behind plexiglass in their living room.

For some, the entire job, including what is installed is important too.  When we cheapen our materials, we do the same to our trade.
 
Steve,

I respect your opinion.
But somehow, I think I got some words messed up. I think it's perfectly possible to put your soul into the work, even if it's made using materials that are suboptimal in your own book.
It may even be a challenge, to make something worth owning using substandard stuff.

Please don't get me wrong: I like a nice piece of solid hardwood as much as the next guy. But what you refer to as dignity, I call pride. Nothing wrong with that, but I think you should put pride in your work, even if the result can't be what you would like due to the materials used.
One could even argue that refusing to do such work for reason of the less than stellar results would be considered a case of arrogance.

I've seen Per's work in a couple of pictures he has shown. I's way beyond me, and I bow to his craftsmanship. I think that anyone with these skills doesn't really need the reassurance of others. He knows he's a good craftsman, and can put pride in that. Agreeing to do this kind of quality work for people who couldn't afford it if it was done in the traditional way with high-cost materials would be a sign of TRUE dignity in my book.

I don't think you cheapen the trade when you cheapen the materials, at least not by definition. I think you'll have to look beyond that. If anyone who's means are limited still feels the need to bring in quality craftsmen, even in times where money's short I would consider that a BIG compliment to the trade.

Then again, that's just me.

Regards,

Job
 
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