how do I make internal UK fire doors

Not blanks just standard size door. They used to be that price at howdens but it has been 3 years since i bought 1.
 
Hi,
Is there a specific reason they have to be fire doors? as you said it is for a new build. As far as I know they would only need to be fire rated doors if there was a recent loft conversion added?

Many moons ago as an apprentice we used to get sheets about 10ft by 5ft ( approx size?) of fire blank 44mm thick and cut them up to suit the door opes they were to go in on a wall saw.

Of course they had to be edged with hardwood lipping.

What I have done in the past to tart them up a bit is plant mould on to the faces to make them look like panelled doors. IE where they were to be fitted near an older panelled door I would copy the layout onto the fire door.

This happened mostly where non habitable rooms like bathrooms did not require a fire door but the bedroom door beside it did.
Building control have changed their minds so many times over the years wih fire door issues in domsetic houses!!! you used to have to put closers on them but that has changed!
I would not go down the fire paint route as it is awfull stuff to use and costly.
Used to use it on houses that kept the old panelled doors installed after loft conversion.
Who has spec the fire rated doors? the architect? building control?
If they have to be fire rated and you want to glaze them in part, you have to use either georgian wire glass or get fire rated clear glass with intumiscent seals/tape and hardwood glazing beads which again is costly.
30 min FD doors can have a normal softwood lining but hinges have to FD rated and stops are usually thicker. Also fire strips for fire and smoke (or fire only) seals routed into lining or door.
1 Hr FD doors sometimes have a gyproc style core (intumiscent) and are heavier. These need a hardwood lining and stops and fire and smoke seals.
The door furniture is not without its regs too. We were not allowed to fit round door knobs on the rated doors only a normal door handle would be used. Something about not being able to open a round knob in a fire?
The magnets you posted details of, have an operating temperature of 80 celcius which could undermine them in a fire.
I promise to come and visit you in prison if there is a fire at the house [wink]

Maybe you could end up just making ordinary doors for the whole house
 
Yeah need fire doors as it a 3 story new build.
Even thought the top bedroom 2nd floor has a separate fire escape window on the 1st floor a door on the 1st floor hall which I thought this would be the only door I would have to do.
The inspector says all the doors leading to the front door has to be FD30. That is all the doors.

I'm a small local developer who will be selling the house on once built.

The doors I like cost £300 - £400 and I need 8.

I Like the houses to be as nice as possible but wont get extra money for the house just because of the doors so probably the best route is the £30 fire blank doors and tart them up a bit like Dean said.

 
The £30 fire door has to be the way to go. You can customise them to make them look better. Just a word of caution

Do not rout into the surface , you can plant on mouldings and sections but you can not interfere with the entirety  of  the door.if you breach the integrity of the door it is no longer classed as a fire door!

John
 
have you a pic or link to the doors you like.
we might be able to help you make ones that look similar
 
Just bought some fire door blanks from Howdens for £18 each what a bargain.
I needed one with glass and that one was £110 though.

Might just leave them plan and paint them white.

Time and money thing I think as the house has a price ceiling when selling.

Thanks for all the tips and advice.
 
Had this prob on a new build few years ago so we stained ply blanks a reall dark colour and fitted portholes to some down syairs which looked nice bu portholes wer not cheap.
 
You basically need a fire enclosed escape route so if a fire broke out on the ground floor there would be a safe route from the top floor to outside
If your loft hatch is located in a bedroom this also needs to be 1/2 hour fire rated

There are plenty of veneered and paneled doors available for £100-£150 and will look 100 times better than planting moulds and staining ply doors
 
I love portholes.
Wish they were cheaper.

Was thinking of getting a quote for a local company to cut some out on there water jet cutting machine.
Probably still expensive, But now Im going to ask them on monday.

 
Hi Alan
Got no links as Ive been open to ideas.
Already bought blank doors.

Will be keeping most blank and just paint them.

PORT HOLE IDEAS

But a couple might see about putting some port holes in, wont be buying them as to expensive.
So looking at getting some cut out of stainless steel, aluminium or maybe route some MDF ones.
Get some fire glass cut. Get some Intumescent Glazing Tape.

Keeping costs down as I wont get the money back but will make the house easier to sell.
 
Hi Peschi,

Don't know if this is too late but you need to ask whoever sold you the door leaves for the Global Assesment. This will give you a full breakdown of what was tested when the door was awarded its certification. Examples of (but not exhaustive) are hinges - types and locations, intumescent strips - manfacturers and types, vision panel - specified glass and intumescent systems and it should allude to what works can be carried out to the leaf. i.e. plant on bolection mouldings.

We manufacture many types of fire doors, flush, rebated and traditional panelled and if its really whats required by your client, then you need to take a whole system approach. This includes door lining/frame and its installation, stop/reabte sizes depth, ironmongery certification and locations. Glass types etc.

Some people may be of the opinion that this is an overkill but I've seen fire doors under test (a £25K procedure!) and the best products installed incorrectly fail quickly and in real life situations when peoples lives are risk I wouldn't want to be thinking 'that'll be ok'.

Best of luck,

Dan.
 
Here is a fire door with a port hole i did last year, its a ply fd30 stained blank, with a coat of clear Matt varnish, the port hole is as joiner described

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Regards
Leigh
 
joiner1970 said:
Deansocial said:
http://www.philipwattsdesign.com/products/stainless-steel-portholes/circular/ss1

Latches not needed if you have a closer but then you will want concealed which again cost alot for hydrolic type.
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I fitted a load of those portholes down in a flat we refurbed on the seafront at Worthing. They were very simple they came with mirror screws that just screw into the door then the covers end up looking like rivets.
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Yeah those mirror screws are quite nice. Phillip watts aint far from me. They have designed a few night clubs local to me
 
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