How embarrassing are we British!

[jmbfestool]

I watched a repeat of Grand Designs 2 night! Well have a look for your selves! Its embarrassing  [embarassed]!!!

Unfortunately you have to watch the adverts first but then go to  16.40 and watch from there!

Grand Designs

JMB 

 

[joiner1970]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

 

[peter halle]

Due to copyright laws, those of us in other countries may not be able to see it.

Peter

 

[peter halle]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

 

[waynelang2001]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

In South Africa the construction companies call it  " putting wood together randomly and hope it holds because we don't know what we are doing.........construction "  [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

I know! I do know a lot of people with paslodes but I also know a lot of people who dont have one either a second or a first fix. Well my joiner mate only just bought a second fix gun 3 weeks ago  [eek] but still doesnt own a first fix. When he does roofing he does it by hand! He says sometimes he will borrow his mates gun. [scared]

What im getting at how its on TV and the American Guy is saying he is teaching the British joiners how to do joinery basically but also how they are nailling by hand why dont they have a paslodes?!?!? The American says they all use airguns and cant believe how the English are nailing by hand but also what im getting at all the countries do all these large production houses made in factories but we English are far behind with this kinda stuff.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

YES!

 

[image132]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

In South Africa the construction companies call it  " putting wood together randomly and hope it holds because we don't know what we are doing.........construction "  [big grin]

They still make houses out of wood here?  [scared]

I would not let anyone build my house out of wood here!! At least that way I know it won't get blown away by the Cape Doctor.

I don't think using a hammer should be embarrassing. It might be slower but it's not like it is any less powerful or in accurate.

 

[jmbfestool]

Due to copyright laws, those of us in other countries may not be able to see it.

Peter

I thought it would of worked on You tube thats why I linked the you tube instead of th 4OD website.

Well basically this program is about GRAND Houses.  Well in this episode this American company comes over to the UK to build a wooden constructed house with prefabricated timber frames made up of 4''x2'' with plywood fixed to it.

While the American is talking saying how the British are not set up for this type of work you can see a English joiner hammer large nails by hand. He goes on saying how Americans will avoid nailing by hand if possible as most sites will have air tools avaliable.  The program goes on and shows how loads of other countries make prefabricated houses in factories like fold out roofs and things which can be built with in weeks. If we do any thing like this it no where near as quick and as sophisticated we are far behind.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

In South Africa the construction companies call it  " putting wood together randomly and hope it holds because we don't know what we are doing.........construction "  [big grin]

They still make houses out of wood here?  [scared]

I would not let anyone build my house out of wood here!! At least that way I know it won't get blown away by the Cape Doctor.

I don't think using a hammer should be embarrassing. It might be slower but it's not like it is any less powerful or in accurate.

Well true but it just sums this country up. We are becoming out dated we are not moving in with times.  Not being big head but their is no one I know (in person not on this FOG) who owns more tools than I do but there are a lot of people I seen and know who dont have the MUST tools!  Tools I think which are a must are the basic hands tools ofcorse every one has them but I think now a MUST tool now an days  is  a NAIL gun first AND second fix and yes I seen 2 joiners whos longest level is 4ft  [scared] they don't own a 6ft level I think thats a MUST tool!

JMB

 

[image132]

I dont get it JMB what are you getting at ?

If its the nailing by hand then this is very unusual on any site I have been on most people have Paslodes or similar and as for us not having any experience in timber framing thats crap I was timber framing as an apprentice back in about 1987-91. We were timber framing here in this country before America was even discovered I think you will find  [wink] ;D obviously we do less now and I imagine most US houses are timber frame.

As part of our ongoing experiment to fully understand and enjoy the language differences between our members countries I offer the following and ask if ours is the same as yours.

Timber Framing in the US is known as post and beam construction.

Homes are typically built using wooden studs 2 in by 4 in distanced 16 inches to 24 inches apart.  That is called wood frame contruction.

Is my comparison correct U.K. Bunch?

In South Africa the construction companies call it  " putting wood together randomly and hope it holds because we don't know what we are doing.........construction "  [big grin]

They still make houses out of wood here?  [scared]

I would not let anyone build my house out of wood here!! At least that way I know it won't get blown away by the Cape Doctor.

I don't think using a hammer should be embarrassing. It might be slower but it's not like it is any less powerful or in accurate.

Well true but it just sums this country up. We are becoming out dated we are not moving in with times.  Not being big head but their is no one I know (in person not on this FOG) who owns more tools than I do but there are a lot of people I seen and know who dont have the MUST tools!  Tools I think which are a must are the basic hands tools ofcorse every one has them but I think now a MUST tool now an days  is  a NAIL gun first AND second fix and yes I seen 2 joiners whos longest level is 4ft  [scared] they don't own a 6ft level I think thats a MUST tool!

JMB

I don't own a nail gun, nor does my dad. In fact I don't know of anyone here who does but then again I don't know very many people in construction and as I've said all the construction is done out of concrete and bricks here. I guess if you are using wood use the best and most recent tech you can but personally I don't really see a need for it oh and no offence to the Americans I don't really like the idea of a "box kit house". I still don't think it's anything to be embarrassed about.

I remember when I was about 14 I was helping my father replace the floor boards at this work because they had rotted to hell. My father had hired this guy to come and help us, he was hitting nails that were roughly 70mm long in with two hits. first was to hold the nail the second made it go all the way in. And it was precision too, dead straight. I couldn't stop watching, I had always wished I learnt how to do that. :/

I guess us in the third world like to hit things really hard

 

[peter halle]

You guys might get a kick out of this article from Fine Homebuilding.  Larry Haun was a master of his craft.  Read about Larry

 

[justinmcf]

thanks for the link peter.

what a great story!

justin.

 

[joiner1970]

I dont own a 6ft level never have done in the 20 odd years ive been in this trade I always use an 800mm Stabila and a 1800 straight edge this comes from way back when I was warned that 6ft levels always get knocked about and easily go out of level so Ive never bought one. I must admit though the other week I borrowed one as my straight edge has gone walkies and I was tempted to buy one  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

The 800 Stabila is useful as it will also do the head of a door lining as long as its more than 800 obviously.

 

[Deansocial]

there are very few MUST tools. Yeah bang away with a paslode, but many inspectors wont pass a cut roof done with paslodes round here, they basically fire pins. I tack with a passy and then use real nails.

 

[Jesse Cloud]

A little help please!  What are first fix and second fix guns?

BTW, my first brush with construction was working as a carpenter's helper/laborer during the sixties.  Air guns were few and far between.  My first day at work I was on a ladder nailing stripping to the roof beams for a new ceiling.  Boy was I sore at the end of the day.  But before school started again, I could drive a good sized nail with two strokes, one to place, second to home.  Anything else and the rest of the crew would laugh and hoot.

Now, I turn on the compressor and find the nailer to drive in a couple of brads....

 

[peter halle]

Jesse,

The UK bunch might be asleep.  I think that first fix is framing, second fix is finishing.

Peter

 

[justinmcf]

you are right peter.
first and second fix are terms used in ireland and england for framing and finishing .

with regards to the original posters quote, first fix gun is the paslode framing gun and second fix gun is the paslode finish gun.

justin.

 

[jmbfestool]

I dont own a 6ft level never have done in the 20 odd years ive been in this trade I always use an 800mm Stabila and a 1800 straight edge this comes from way back when I was warned that 6ft levels always get knocked about and easily go out of level so Ive never bought one. I must admit though the other week I borrowed one as my straight edge has gone walkies and I was tempted to buy one  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

The 800 Stabila is useful as it will also do the head of a door lining as long as its more than 800 obviously.

Yeah that's what I see them use is short level with a straight edge. I need to get a straight edge really I use my 6ft level at the moment to do dab boarding properly not the best way to treat your level but its still level! Well on is I marked it with large X the other one is slightly out it was when I first bought it! I should of taken it back but I can just send it for warranty as stabila is a lifetime warranty?!?!

I sometimes use my 2' level and 6' level to do a door frames or ill use my 6' level and a folding frame square.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

Justin

No offence but that terminology applies to the whole of the UK.  Not just Ireland & England.  Scotland & Wales are part of the UK also.  Not trying to be funny but many overseas refer to the UK as being "England"

Thanks, Woodguy.