How many Sanders do you have & why

Thompmd

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I have a RO150 only and was curious what some of the smaller or even another unit would benefit me? I’m new and curious if I’m missing something ?

I was thinking about having to stock all the necessary grits, extra space, cost etc and was just wondering if they do a better job?

I’m mostly happy with my current unit(other than some swirl marks at the extremely low end of grits get a lot of swirl marks I have to work at removing, btw: I have the suction set low and don’t adjust through rough-finish) and realize I’m kind of answering my own question just wondering?
 
I own virtually all the sanders but if I had only the rotex, I would add the ETSEC 150 as the sandpaper would overlap.  Then I would add the RO 90 for small areas and for the pointed triangle.  The alternative to the 90 would be the DTSEC 400 which I probably use more than any.
 
My first was RO 150. It covers a lot of area plus it’s two sanders in one, as a hobbyist I could do most things w it as production speed isn't an issue. Sanding edges w it would require care of handling so as to not round an edge if you didn’t want to.
You didn’t mention having oscillating spindle/belt sander.....so maybe edge sanding for you  is covered w that unit ?That’s a great tool addition if you primarily operate out of a shop you will find a ton of uses for that unit.
I found a used RO 90 and bought it for narrower stock plus I have done some wood shaping with it. plus the Delta pad is nice.

The RO 150 is heavy for overhead use so I talked myself into an ETS 125 although it’s a different sander than the Rotex models.  I have a RS 2E that is great for flat panel sanding and covers a ton of surface area. I wanted to do some wood shaping on a modern chair project and again found an RAS 115  new and cheap and it came w a ton of paper.

I think you are smart to ask others what their motivations are for different sanders as most of us try to cover the most applications with a specific tool.
All decisions should be based on your choice of projects I hope the above info is of use to you as they are what works for me. To be truthful like most people I only sand with one sander at a time and I have to admit a lot of people might say I have too many sanders as a hobbyist but I love good tools. I’ve never regretted any of my Festool purchases
Best
 
Used to have heaps of sanders: 
Elu 1/3 sheet & Festo RS3E & RS1C 1/3 & 1/2 sheet Orbitals, plus an old 1/3 sheet B&D "linear action" sander that wasn't really.  Plus a Festo RS4 & Bosch GSS16A Palm sanders.

Couple of Bobbie Bosch(small) Deltas & a Festo Deltex

Couple of Festool LS130 Duplex Linear sanders, plus a swag of custom & OEM profiled bases.

Bobbie Bosch PBS 75AE, Kango Wolf 2424 & Festool BS105E kit belt sanders.

Mafell/Kress UX150 & Festo RO 150E 150mm dual action ROT(ary)/EX(zenter) gear driven sanders

Mirka DEROS ROS in 2.5, 5.0 & 8.0 diameters.

Mirka DEOS Orbitals in small, large & delta configurations.

Metabo SXE400 detail RO Sanders (70mm dia.) - no less than FOUR!!

Triton Random Orbital Sander attachment (for an Angle Grinder).  Super fast, super messy!

Fein FSC 500 QSL sanding attachments.  Absolutely useless as a sander!

As to what you want, need or (dare I say it) should get, well that all depends....  Time will tell.

I've refined my own collection down from the rather ridiculous 2 dozen odd to a much more rational 10 for my own SPECIFIC NEEDS.

The old Festo orbitals were good, but also fairly slow: a common characteristic of all orbitals.  The Elu eventually wore out.  Orbitals are useful for fine flattening, & especially good at fine denibbing between paint & lacquer coats. 

My small Mirka DEOS serves this purpose well, & takes the same size paper as the Festool Duplex & RS400 & the Bosch GSS16.  My only orbitals are now the small DEOS 80x133 & Delta.  Probably the Delta only would suffice at a pinch. The Mirkas are simply a better sander, having a larger (faster) 3mm orbit, lighter weight & superior balance to all others.  The larger DEOS with a plasterer's shaped & sized pad eventually just became surplus to requirements.

Detail work is undertaken by the 2 Bosch Deltas (PDA240 & GDA280), which I prefer due to their system of extra sanding fingers, custom profiles that I've made & louvre extensions, which is why I still use 2.  The tiny Metabo SXe400s are gems, allowing fairly fine concavities & complex mouldings to be smoothed & polished (i.e car headlights etc) in places any other sander can't.  Which is why I keep one only spare.  These were also ideal tools for the tiny hands of my young children, which is why I only retain a couple now.

The Festool Duplex LS130s proved utterly hopeless.  Worst tools (with the possible exception of Festo/ol's execrable cordless drills) that I've ever owned.  Despite dual counter-rotating counterweights, they're simply too vibratory for extended use, clog papers like a mo-fo, & their profiled bases literally crumble into uselessness with alarming & expensive rapidity.  Just....don't.  A hand block is actually faster!

Belt sanders have been reduced to the one big Festool BS105E.  With its fine belts & its fabulous sanding frame fitted, it's uncharacteristically smooth & fine, or as aggressive & rapid abrading in coarser grits as anything other than a dedicated floor sander.  I'd probably still have the small Bosch too, but for the fact that it was nicked.  A belt sander will do everything & more that any Rotex sander can do, but much smoother, easier & faster.  Provided the sanding frame is fitted.

As you've undoubtedly noticed the Rotex tools can become a bit of a handful at times, & must be firmly gripped & carefully guided.  A belt sander doesn't:  its own mass & inertia does the work, requiring the lightest restraint but no pressure, but its speed & power means that it, too, must be kept in perpetual smooth motion over the substrate.

As far as random orbitals are concerned, I've found that the Mafell/Kress & Festool Rotexes are just a bit too big, heavy & rough for my ageing hands.  As you've already noted, they're a bit too rough to provide a fine finish.  The Mafell was rubbish (too much power for the relatively weak geartrain), & when I "found" the Mirka sanders, everything else simply pales in comparison.  Less than HALF the weight of the Festool (maybe 1/3 of the Mafell!), smoother running and far superior results to any other I've tried.  So good, in fact that I've personally found the 2.5mm diameter DEROS to be redundant.

I think the difference is in the papers:  Mirka's Abranet mesh abrasives are just fantastic.  To be fair, though, maybe a but too susceptible to tearing on sharp or hard edges.  But so are paper-backed abrasives too.  The Abranet ACE & HD abrasives are super long lasting & (incomparison to Festool's range) fairly inexpensive.  Dust extraction through Abranet abrasives is in my opinion unequalled.  Plus the huge number of holes in Mirka's sanding pads means that just about any other rogue abrasive will work & extract well too.

Don't think that I'm unneccessarily down on Festo'ol's sanders here.  They're all (with the exception of those stupid LS130s) good tools, but the world has moved on a bit in the past 40-50 odd years since they were originally designed.  Whilst Festools are good, Mirkas are great.  Where Festool's products often prevent anybody else's pads & papers being used, most others use common mountings, hole patterns & readily available sizes.  If Mirka's sanders seem a bit too expensive, then one of their licensed clones (Indasa, Rupes, Carsystem, Metabo, Delmeq or Sumaki) which use the same hardware will possibly save you a bit.

My single remaining Festool sander is the BS105E, mainly by virtue of its sanding frame & commonly available belt sizes (for which I actually had to shorten the distance between the rollers).  It even takes Abranet Ace belts.  Since Festool Australia sacked my 2 preferred local agents & repairman & gutted the retail network, it's near impossible to access regular consumables, spares & parts in a timely fashion.  The last straw for me was an over 3 month wait-time for a basic delivery of some abrasives & a replacement pad for one of my Duplexes.  My nearest Festo "retailer" doesn't even stock the flamin' products: thety just order 'em in as required/prepaid.  Blow that for a joke!

So the 4 Mirkas, 2 Bosch Deltas, a brace of Metabo detail randoms & the big Festo/Holz Her belt sander now comprehensively serve just about each & every one of my (unique) sanding needs.

You will undoubtedly require a different suite of abrasive tools.

P.S.  Just remembered that I also (shortly) owned a RO90 DX kit from Festool too.  This ridiculous excuse for a sander probably ties with Metabo's Porsche Multihammer as one of the worst designed power tools of all time.  It was just terrible, & more than any other has probably turned me away from "modern" Festool designs for life.

 
RTS 400- FINISHING CLEANING UP SURFACES AFTER STRIPPING FOR REFINISHING
RO 90- FOR SMALL NARROW THINGS LIKE FACE FRAMES
RO 150- USE THE HARD PAD BETTER THAN A BELT SANDER
ETS 150/3 GREAT TO USE BEFORE FINISHING
 
It wasn't until I rounded them up for the family photo that I realized the sanders are as bad as the routers for auto-proliferation.  The Craftsman belt sander was the first one I bought, for a project that involved scribing 2x lumber 30 years ago.  As time went by various others were added to help with specific projects and now... here we are.

By far the most used now is the ETS EC/150/3, mainly for sheet goods, but I am happy to have the others for specialized tasks such as corners and edges, and if I were scribing 2x lumber today I would reach for the RAS.

Jeff

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I used to have 13 different Festool sanders at one point. Plus one Metabo. I just bought any Festool I could get my hands on in the used market and try it out. If I liked it, I kept it, if not, I sold it off with a profit.

Eventually my use of these sanders crystalised into what I really needed and only 6 were left over. Lately I've added 2 more for my convenience so I'm at 8 now.

  • DS 400 - most used sander, usefull for practically anything that's not big sheets. Mostly windows and door trim.
  • DTS 400 - I use the DS so much I got a second one for when I need to do another job somewhere else in between.
  • DS 400 converted to an RS 400 - For those places where the DTS 400 is too wide.
  • RO 150 - the big boy for the powerful jobs. Couldn't live without it.
  • ETS 125 - My door specialist. Or for other larger surfaces that require a very fine finish. Also nice on walls.
  • ETS 150 - Big overlap with ETS 125 and RO 150. I think I'm going to sell it again, too little use lately.
  • RAS 115 - When the paint absolutely, positively has to come off in seconds. Only used for the really tough jobs.
  • DX93 - Very little used lately, but with the extended pad it can reach places no other sander can, so I'm keeping it.

But only 3 of them I use most, the DTS 400, RO 150 and the ETS 125. These 3 cover 98% of my sanding needs. I just use my sanders a lot for many different things, painting, woodworking, plastering, the rest I have for my convenience because I hate to muddle around.
 
OMG, does Festool have weekly meetings where each of you stand up... then everyone claps and says hi

They are cheaper than therapy, possibly

Do you get Xmas cards from your “dealer”
 
Thompmd, our meetings are dailey, although not everyone chimes in
 
Hi, my name is Uli and I am slightly addicted to Sanders. ;)

Similar to jobsworth I have:
- RTSC 400
- Rotex 150
- ETSEC 150/5
- Rotex 90
- Bosch Beltsander
And the Fein SuperCut that can also do some sanding if needed.

In addition to the Rotex I would propose something with a smaller stroke.
Maybe the ETSEC 150/3 or a DTS/RTS.
 
I started with the RO125 after a demo of the rotex cutting power at a Woodcraft store.  Love it!  Also got a RO90 for doing small things, and it is perfect for the face frames and rails and stiles of the 27 cabinet doors I'm currently building.  The triangle pad is very handy for getting into corners of flat panels too.  Don't know which of the two I like better--they're both great at what they do.
 
jobsworth said:
RTS 400- FINISHING CLEANING UP SURFACES AFTER STRIPPING FOR REFINISHING
RO 90- FOR SMALL NARROW THINGS LIKE FACE FRAMES
RO 150- USE THE HARD PAD BETTER THAN A BELT SANDER
ETS 150/3 GREAT TO USE BEFORE FINISHING
This is exactly what I have also.  Nice combination of sanders. I have always wanted the RS2E but have not had a project that made it necessarily.
 
The RO150 was the first Festool sander I got, but ironically is among my least used sanders at this point (except for the specialized LS130 and the ETS-EC 150/3, which I got on the secondary market despite not having a pressing need because of a great price on a barely used model).  The ETS-EC 150/5 performs most of the work that I used to demand of the Rotex, and if I were ever forced to liquidate my tools would be the last sander I would part with.

Most of the reason I don't lean on the RO150 much anymore is because I don't do much rehab or renovation work (though when I have in the past it has been invaluable), and the furniture I build is generally with new lumber, which coming out of the thickness planer is already primed for a medium grit.  When I do work with reclaimed material I now use the Makita Brush Sander, which preserves the look and color of the grain much better than hitting it with the Rotex.

I do wish Festool would make their belt sander available here in the states though.
 
I started out with the RO-150.  Better all around sander than anything else I owed prior.  Aggressive mode was a plus.  Introduced me to dust collection.

Next was the RAS.  Stripping paint.

Next was the ETS150/3.  Sometimes the Rotex was just too heavy especially when sanding ceilings.

Last was the DTS 400.  Angled pad for doing corners sold me.

Peter
 
I have a 150/3 and a Rotex 150. (older one) The 150/3 gets 99% of the work. The Rotex only comes out when it's the right tool for the job. Rotex is a two-handed tool and that's not productive for me for general sanding. I love my 150/3...zero vibration (the major reason I originally moved to Festool sanders)...and it does a great job. I may pick up one of the 125mm sanders at some point as it would be better for some of the guitar work I'm now doing.
 
Hello, My name is Alan. It’s been six months since I bought my last Festool sander. I suppose that you could call that, being in “recovery”.

But seriously, my Festool journey started with an ETS EC 125/3 and a CT 36. I make a few end grain cutting boards and the ETS EC was great but I was having to work pretty hard to get the scratch marks from my thickness sander off my cutting boards. So I learned about the recon site and bought a RO 125. It fits that bill perfectly and although I don’t pick it up super often, when I do it is super valuable. Then I made a barn door project for my daughter and had a major finishing debacle when the finish she chose turned the pine door into a big orange Cheeto. It had a lot of Decorative x bracing and so I went and grabbed a DTS400. I was so impressed with its performance that it became so much more than a corner sander for me. I don’t use it quite as often an the ETS EC but I would say second most. It really exceeded my expectations.

After that a couple of bargains came my way and off the wagon I went. I like the DTS400 so much that when I saw an RTS400 on the recon site I got it. Not unlike the DTS it is a very good, very smooth, very easy to use sander. Then they discontinued the RAS and the prices got so low that I had to have one. Along the way I also picked up a used RS2E and an LS130. I have not used those much but I did do a table top and that RS2E was awesome.

Certainly they are luxuries for me but there is just not much in the shop that is better than having just the right tool for a particular job!

Also please note that my joking is not intended to make fun of anyone with any addiction or that is in recovery as I have the greatest respect imaginable for those in recovery (as well as for those suffering an addiction). I just know that I and many others do participate in self deprecating humor when it comes to the excesses that I engage in around tool purchases. My wife says that Woodworking is the cover story for the real addiction that is tool buying.😊
 
This is probably an obvious question but what does the difference in stroke do for you or what does it prevent?

What application?

Advantage and disadvantages
 
[member=72021]Thompmd[/member]  The basic difference is just the aggressiveness of the cut taken by the sander.  The 150/5 is a faster sander than the 150/3.  Faster is usually better when it comes to sanding.  But there are a couple of situations where the smaller stroke is actually desirable in my experience.  The first is when you are working with veneered products.  I have occasionally burned through the top layer of veneered plywood using the 150/5.  Theoretically this shouldn't happen as long as you are being careful by marking the surface with a pencil to not oversand.  But the veneer is sometimes overly thin, to the point where the normal caution is not enough.  So I tend to just use the 150/3 as my default sander for veneer.

The second is high grit sanding.  I have found that from around 400 grit and above, the 150/3 will produce a better finished surface than the 5mm.  It's difficult to spot those differences while sanding, and they only get revealed once you apply whatever finish you end up using.  It's not that the 5mm does a bad job north of 400 grit, but the 3mm is just superior in my experience.

So I don't view the 150/3 as a necessity for the work I do, but it is good to have for the above stated reasons.

 

Thompmd said:
This is probably an obvious question but what does the difference in stroke do for you or what does it prevent?

What application?

Advantage and disadvantages
 
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