How to safely use df 1400 to make this recess

sawwannabe

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Hi. I have a healthy fear of routers...so much so that I have the DF1400 and a bunch of accessories but have not used it yet after almost a year. Now I think it would come in really handy. I need to make a 1.25" recess into the bottom (shown) of a workbench I am building so I can install the HNT Gordon face vise. The closest how-to videos I found show the user with a wide acrylic base plate. Is that what I need or can the track or edge guide or one of the other accessories I have accomplish the same thing? The recess needs to be 5.5" (150mm) by 5.5" (150mm). Whatever method I use I would like the router to be securely in place with little chance of it falling, especially when I get to the edge of the workbench. IMG_6562.jpegThanks for any guidance you can provide. I'm a gal with no friends/neighbors who do anything like this that I can ask.

(p.s. the mortise you see to the right was done with a hand drill and awl and lots of chisel time. There is a lot of tear-out from doing by hand and I think the vise needs a perfectly flat refence.)
 
Hello @sawwannabe
I can understand what you mean about the router being a scary tool. For me it comes down to what happens if you accidentally do a climb cut and the machine kicks back at you.

I would suggest using a template bit to run around the inside of a template to cut out a groove just inside your pencil line.
After that remove the template then use the router on the work piece to cut away the material.

But!!!
You'll end up needing to remove the full depth of the pocket in one pass and you'll need to be very carefull you're moving the machine in the correct direction otherwise you'll get a nasty climb cut.

Using a router base extender would make things much easier and safer.
If you want to make a router base extender there are two M6 threaded connectors on the base of the machine. You can use acrylic or some scrap plywood.
When you've made the extender you can take SHALLOW passes to remove the material, no more than 3mm in one go if you're getting used to the machine. Maybe even 1mm if you're nervous.
Make sure you're moving the machine in the correct direction to avoid a climb cut. The cutter turns clockwise as you look down on it and you want to cut with the 6oclock to 12oclock portion of the cutter against the wood and moving from the bottom to the top of the pocket.
Limiting the depth of material you're removing will reduce the chance the router takes it's own path across the workpiece.

Pictures will help, let me know if you want some.

Regards
Bob
 
Hello @sawwannabe
I can understand what you mean about the router being a scary tool. For me it comes down to what happens if you accidentally do a climb cut and the machine kicks back at you.

I would suggest using a template bit to run around the inside of a template to cut out a groove just inside your pencil line.
After that remove the template then use the router on the work piece to cut away the material.

But!!!
You'll end up needing to remove the full depth of the pocket in one pass and you'll need to be very carefull you're moving the machine in the correct direction otherwise you'll get a nasty climb cut.

Using a router base extender would make things much easier and safer.
If you want to make a router base extender there are two M6 threaded connectors on the base of the machine. You can use acrylic or some scrap plywood.
When you've made the extender you can take SHALLOW passes to remove the material, no more than 3mm in one go if you're getting used to the machine. Maybe even 1mm if you're nervous.
Make sure you're moving the machine in the correct direction to avoid a climb cut. The cutter turns clockwise as you look down on it and you want to cut with the 6oclock to 12oclock portion of the cutter against the wood and moving from the bottom to the top of the pocket.
Limiting the depth of material you're removing will reduce the chance the router takes it's own path across the workpiece.

Pictures will help, let me know if you want some.

Regards
Bob
Thank you sooo much for your detailed response! I definitely do not want to do make a 1-1/4" cut in one pass so an extender makes the most option. I was just looking at scraps and even with wax I think there might be too much friction so I think I will have to make a trip to hardware store and get some acrylic.
 
Hi. I have a healthy fear of routers...so much so that I have the DF1400 and a bunch of accessories but have not used it yet after almost a year. Now I think it would come in really handy. I need to make a 1.25" recess into the bottom (shown) of a workbench I am building so I can install the HNT Gordon face vise. The closest how-to videos I found show the user with a wide acrylic base plate. Is that what I need or can the track or edge guide or one of the other accessories I have accomplish the same thing? The recess needs to be 5.5" (150mm) by 5.5" (150mm). Whatever method I use I would like the router to be securely in place with little chance of it falling, especially when I get to the edge of the workbench. View attachment 382162Thanks for any guidance you can provide. I'm a gal with no friends/neighbors who do anything like this that I can ask.

(p.s. the mortise you see to the right was done with a hand drill and awl and lots of chisel time. There is a lot of tear-out from doing by hand and I think the vise needs a perfectly flat refence.)
The vise probably doesn’t need “a perfectly flat reference” over the whole area. I’m guessing that is only required along the sides. If so, in order to make eliminate the chance of the router tipping into the excavation, leave a full height island in the middle to support the router. You can easily chisel it out afterwards but as you proceed routing from the perimeter inward you’ll find out how small the island can be and still support the router.
 
If you're only making very shallow passes you should be OK with what ever flat material you have, and you won't have to go and by some acrylic if you don't need it. I think the biggest benefit of acrylic is being able to see what you're cutting, and that probably not a bad thing for someone who's just getting started.

Bob
 
Since this is the underside of your workbench you wouldn’t mind a few small nail holes would you? Or screw holes if you prefer.

Instead of a template and bushing you can just use a straight bit if you tack three strips of wood to the workpiece at the appropriate distance to guide/corral the router.
No definitely don't mind a few holes. I like this idea. Saves me a trip to hardware store or thinking about spending $$$ on another accessory. Can you rephrase"at the appropriate distance to guide/corral the router" so a slow 5-year could understand? Or point me to proper search terms for a video tutorial? Thank you!
 
Having a healthy respect for routers is wise.
I would use a router template such as
View attachment 382164
Or u can make one and route out the shape you want. Practice on scrap to get use to it and you should be fine. Watch your feeds and speeds.
All the Best.
I have the Woodpecker's version of this - where did you get this pic from? I'm interested in what the red parts are for.
 
The vise probably doesn’t need “a perfectly flat reference” over the whole area. I’m guessing that is only required along the sides. If so, in order to make eliminate the chance of the router tipping into the excavation, leave a full height island in the middle to support the router. You can easily chisel it out afterwards but as you proceed routing from the perimeter inward you’ll find out how small the island can be and still support the router.
Super practical. Thank you!
 
While I don’t have that specific router, the principle remains the same. I also recommend a template. I would cut it from 1/2” thick MDF. Just square cuts to the corners. Leave enough extra material that you can clamp onto the work piece without interfering with the router plate.

I would drill the corners of the work piece with the exact radius bit that is required. I don’t think you will easily find a router bushing that will make that sharp a turn. Clamp the template and then make your cuts. Make sure you don’t try to hog out too much in a single pass.

You might also need an oversized baseplate to cut that opening, or the router plate might drop into the cavity.

In my opinion that router is the right piece of equipment for this operation. And in my opinion, the router, despite the loud and fast spinning bits, it probably one of the safest pieces of equipment in the wood shop.
 
No definitely don't mind a few holes. I like this idea. Saves me a trip to hardware store or thinking about spending $$$ on another accessory. Can you rephrase"at the appropriate distance to guide/corral the router" so a slow 5-year could understand? Or point me to proper search terms for a video tutorial? Thank you!
The router base is basically round with a chunk of the perimeter missing. You’ll use the curved areas only. You need to find out the distance from the edge of the router to the edge of the bit. This will vary with different bits but if you know the distance for a 1/4” bit you know you simply set the fence 1/4” closer if you use a 1/2” bit. And so on.

With the bit you will use in the router (set to about 1/4” depth of cut), clamp a square to a largish scrap of wood. You’ll need to be able to put the square on opposite sides of the router with the leg pointing away from the router so the scrap should be at least two feet wide for comfort. It could be much smaller if you run different sides of the router against the square, moving it farther away each time.

With the square clamped to the scrap workpiece, run the router along the side of the square for an inch or ten (don’t hold back, get used to it).

Measure the distance from the square to the closest side of the groove you just cut. That is the distance from the cut line on the workbench to the fence you will nail to the workbench. But don’t do this yet.

For the utmost accuracy you should do this for the left, right, and back of the router. Keep the flat side of the router base towards you. But for this project you could get away with just the one fence to ditch measurement since in theory all three measurements will be the same. They’re probably very very slightly different.

When you know the offsets for all three sides of the vise cutout, draw lines on the workbench at those distance so you can see where to put the three strips of wood for the fence/corral/template. The great thing about a template is that it makes it impossible to cut where you don’t want to and it puts the maximum cut exactly where you want it.

Tack/nail/screw the side pieces on first. The fence pieces need to be secure enough to resist the pressure you will exert to keep the router tight to the fence. You’ll probably push harder than necessary since this is new to you (but you don’t need to because if the router wanders away from the fence a little it will just cut stuff you want to get rid of anyway and if you notice the sides of the recess you route away aren’t straight you can just make another pass along the fence to clean them up) so you might want to use screws to be certain the fence is secure. They need to extend from the front of the work bench to just short of the back offset line. Or they can be much longer but you have to cut the back fence piece short enough to fit within the side fence pieces.

On the first pass you will cut the perimeter, a C shaped cut that begins by cutting into the workbench along the left side fence then cuts across following the back fence and then follows the right fence until the bit exits the front of the workbench. When the bit exits it will probably knock chips off the front of the bench (tearout). If you want to avoid that you can either saw along the cut line on the front of the workbench (just on the right upside down side) or you can clamp a piece of sacrificial wood to the front of the workbench making sure it is flush with the surface (the bottom of the workbench) the router will ride on.

Use the router depth turret to make it easy to increase the depth of cut for subsequent passes. For the last pass you can test the depth by slightly routing into the remaining island and measuring the actual cut depth and then making your adjustment.

I suspect the router base is a little wider than the cutout for the vise. If that is so you don’t need to leave an island as the edge of the router can’t fall into the recess without running past the fence/corral. I that case just route all over with each pass at each depth setting.

Be sure to use dust collection and hearing protection. A note on dust collection, it will be better if you leave the outside edge of the vise cutout uncut until the very last. That is, leave a wall standing at the forward edge of the workbench until all the rest of the excess has been cut. A wall about 1/4” to 1/2” thick will do to corral the debris created by the spinning bit so more of it will get sucked up. When it’s time to take down the wall, use a chisel and strike a bout a 1/4” above the cut line so you don’t tearout beyond the cut line. Then turn on the router and all and finish up.

Alternatively, if you choose to clamp a piece of wood to the front of the workbench to eliminate tearout you you can use a longer piece that spans across the recess (requiring another clamp) and forget about leaving a wall. The sacrificial piece will dam the recess and corral the debris, just don’t plow too far into it at each depth. Cut enough into it so you have a recess to tilt the router and bit into at the begin of each new deeper cut. However, as a beginner you might want to skip this sacrificial piece and treat the router as a simple non-plunge type and enter the work from the outside while the router base is flat on the work.
 
This is not a particularly difficult task. All you really need is a template of the proper shape and an auxiliary base for your router that is too big to "fall in" the hole. I would add a dust extraction port to it too. Using a plunge router, hog out as much of it as you can, with just plunges. Then go back and remove the leftover webbing. Take a final pass at full depth, to clean up the bottom.
 
The router base is basically round with a chunk of the perimeter missing. You’ll use the curved areas only. You need to find out the distance from the edge of the router to the edge of the bit. This will vary with different bits but if you know the distance for a 1/4” bit you know you simply set the fence 1/4” closer if you use a 1/2” bit. And so on.

With the bit you will use in the router (set to about 1/4” depth of cut), clamp a square to a largish scrap of wood. You’ll need to be able to put the square on opposite sides of the router with the leg pointing away from the router so the scrap should be at least two feet wide for comfort. It could be much smaller if you run different sides of the router against the square, moving it farther away each time.

With the square clamped to the scrap workpiece, run the router along the side of the square for an inch or ten (don’t hold back, get used to it).

Measure the distance from the square to the closest side of the groove you just cut. That is the distance from the cut line on the workbench to the fence you will nail to the workbench. But don’t do this yet.

For the utmost accuracy you should do this for the left, right, and back of the router. Keep the flat side of the router base towards you. But for this project you could get away with just the one fence to ditch measurement since in theory all three measurements will be the same. They’re probably very very slightly different.

When you know the offsets for all three sides of the vise cutout, draw lines on the workbench at those distance so you can see where to put the three strips of wood for the fence/corral/template. The great thing about a template is that it makes it impossible to cut where you don’t want to and it puts the maximum cut exactly where you want it.

Tack/nail/screw the side pieces on first. The fence pieces need to be secure enough to resist the pressure you will exert to keep the router tight to the fence. You’ll probably push harder than necessary since this is new to you (but you don’t need to because if the router wanders away from the fence a little it will just cut stuff you want to get rid of anyway and if you notice the sides of the recess you route away aren’t straight you can just make another pass along the fence to clean them up) so you might want to use screws to be certain the fence is secure. They need to extend from the front of the work bench to just short of the back offset line. Or they can be much longer but you have to cut the back fence piece short enough to fit within the side fence pieces.

On the first pass you will cut the perimeter, a C shaped cut that begins by cutting into the workbench along the left side fence then cuts across following the back fence and then follows the right fence until the bit exits the front of the workbench. When the bit exits it will probably knock chips off the front of the bench (tearout). If you want to avoid that you can either saw along the cut line on the front of the workbench (just on the right upside down side) or you can clamp a piece of sacrificial wood to the front of the workbench making sure it is flush with the surface (the bottom of the workbench) the router will ride on.

Use the router depth turret to make it easy to increase the depth of cut for subsequent passes. For the last pass you can test the depth by slightly routing into the remaining island and measuring the actual cut depth and then making your adjustment.

I suspect the router base is a little wider than the cutout for the vise. If that is so you don’t need to leave an island as the edge of the router can’t fall into the recess without running past the fence/corral. I that case just route all over with each pass at each depth setting.

Be sure to use dust collection and hearing protection. A note on dust collection, it will be better if you leave the outside edge of the vise cutout uncut until the very last. That is, leave a wall standing at the forward edge of the workbench until all the rest of the excess has been cut. A wall about 1/4” to 1/2” thick will do to corral the debris created by the spinning bit so more of it will get sucked up. When it’s time to take down the wall, use a chisel and strike a bout a 1/4” above the cut line so you don’t tearout beyond the cut line. Then turn on the router and all and finish up.

Alternatively, if you choose to clamp a piece of wood to the front of the workbench to eliminate tearout you you can use a longer piece that spans across the recess (requiring another clamp) and forget about leaving a wall. The sacrificial piece will dam the recess and corral the debris, just don’t plow too far into it at each depth. Cut enough into it so you have a recess to tilt the router and bit into at the begin of each new deeper cut. However, as a beginner you might want to skip this sacrificial piece and treat the router as a simple non-plunge type and enter the work from the outside while the router base is flat on the work.
Amazing! Thank you so much!
 
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