HVLP for on site spraying

[ericbuggeln]

The JC10 from Rolair is 1 HP and is 3.80 cfm at 40 psi. Would this work? Eric

 

[tjbnwi]

The JC10 from Rolair is 1 HP and is 3.80 cfm at 40 psi. Would this work? Eric

For what????

Tom

 

[CarolinaNomad]

The JC10 will be sufficient for the pressure pot, but is not needed with the Apollo 1050vr and a siphon or gravity cup.

 

[tjbnwi]

The JC10 will be sufficient for the pressure pot, but is not needed with the Apollo 1050vr and a siphon or gravity cup.

Unless he hooks a pressure pot to it.

Tom

 

[deepcreek]

The JC10 from Rolair is 1 HP and is 3.80 cfm at 40 psi. Would this work? Eric

My guess is it's a little too small for a low CFM conversion gun & pressure pot system but Jeff can better advise you on that.

My setup is as follows:

I'm using a FINI Big Pioneer (no longer available in U.S) that is 2hp with a 5 gallon tank.  It was made in Italy and has been an awesome compressor with daily use for 15 years.  I supplement this with an inexpensive 5 gallon surge tank.

The pressure from the compressor is set at 120psi.  It is set to cycle at 90psi.  The surge tank is held at the same pressure and it steps down to 50psi by a regulator at the outlet.

The regulator into the pressure pot reduces it to 5psi for sending the finish material out the fluid hose.

The air hose to the conversion gun is still at 50psi but is stepped down by another regulator at the gun to 1.5 Bar which is about 21psi.

I'm currently using it for finishing stain grade cabinets and trim components in an improvised 13 x 13 finishing room inside the house we're building.  I have a 4x8' table in the middle and also set things all the way around the perimeter of the room.  My sessions usually last about 30 minutes during which the compressor is running about 50% of the time.   With my setup, I don't have to stop and wait for the compressor to catch up as there is always plenty of pressure and air volume.

I am looking forward to using the Apollo 1050vs but it came with the 1.0 needle & nozzle which is too fine for full strength waterborne topcoats from General Finishes.  They recommended a 1.3 which is the same needle as a 1.5 just with a different nozzle.  They all use the same B cap.  I will probably buy a 1.3/1.5 needle with a 1.3 nozzle and a 1.5 nozzle.  I am also considering getting their deluxe kit which includes these components and even more needles, nozzles, and caps.

 

[ericbuggeln]

I am definitely already buying the JC10, as I fell in love with it at ToolNut. If the Apollo 1050 VR can spray everything, which for that price it should be able to, then I don't want extra compressors. My garage, shed, and basement are already stocked full of tools. If I get the Apollo 1050 VR, will I be able to turn two vanities, a mantel, and a bookcase white in a nice finish that is durable? All this other stuff I can do later, Eric

 

[tiralie]

If I get the Apollo 1050 VR, will I be able to turn two vanities, a mantel, and a bookcase white in a nice finish that is durable?

Yes. Here's proof from DarlingtonFarm aka ZeesWoodShop a member here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ztiWTnXU

 

[CarolinaNomad]

The JC10 will be sufficient for the pressure pot, but is not needed with the Apollo 1050vr and a siphon or gravity cup.

Unless he hooks a pressure pot to it.

Tom

Tom, So is the JC10 sufficient hooked to the pressure pot?

 

[mastercabman]

The JC10 will be sufficient for the pressure pot, but is not needed with the Apollo 1050vr and a siphon or gravity cup.

Unless he hooks a pressure pot to it.

Tom

Tom, So is the JC10 sufficient hooked to the pressure pot?

I'm not Tom,but i do have the rolair jc10 and i will say that it would be ok but keep in mind that the jc10 is not rated for continuous use,so if you are just spraying here and there,and taking small breaks,you should be ok,but i would not use it for production work as it might wear the compressor prematurely.
I have use my jc10 with my CAT jr touch up gun and it did ok.I have access to a biger compressor for larger jobs.

 

[Michael Kellough]

A fully charged stand-alone surge tank should be sufficient to run a pressure pot up to 2-1/2 gallons.  
2.5 gallon pot @30psi (for heavy fluids) backed up by another 5 gallons @120psi.
By the time you empty the pot you would still have around 60 psi in the surge tank.

So that tiny compressor and pot picture Eric posted before does make sense as a paint supply source for a turbine gun. You could also use a tiny CO2 tank and regulator.

Or, am I missing something?

I use an old Accuspray VersaMax system like this. It's a series 19 gun (HVLP) running on compressed air (designed for it) supplied by the rig's compressor, about 4.5 8.3 scfm at 40 psi, which is sufficient for that gun and the pot.

 

[CarolinaNomad]

I spoke too soon. I did not think a pressure pot needed that much tank compacity to run with an hvlp system. Good to know. I'm getting the jc10 as well for something small and quiet. So I guess I'm keeping my 4 gallon air compressor for a pressure pot.

Jeff

 

[Michael Kellough]

I spoke too soon. I did not think a pressure pot needed that much tank compacity to run with an hvlp system. Good to know. I'm getting the jc10 as well for something small and quiet. So I guess I'm keeping my 4 gallon air compressor for a pressure pot.

Jeff

If you are referring to my post then I failed to make my point clearly.
A pressure pot needs almost no air flow and not very little pressure.
A tank full of compressed air will do.

You only need to have a compressor continuously running for the gun.

 

[tjbnwi]

The JC10 will be sufficient for the pressure pot, but is not needed with the Apollo 1050vr and a siphon or gravity cup.

Unless he hooks a pressure pot to it.

Tom

Tom, So is the JC10 sufficient hooked to the pressure pot?

All it is doing is moving fluid, the tip CFM is coming from the turbine. If it is a 1 gallon tank and you hook it to a 2.5 gallon pressure pot you now have 3.5 gallons of volume. The amount of air volume will vary with the amount of fluid in the pot. The Jc 10 has no problem keeping up. If it is a compressor supplied gun, the Jc 10 would not stand a chance.

I use the Jc 10 in the field and a 40 gallon 5 hp. in the shop. Seems like you can spray all day and the shop unit will not turn on.

Tom

 

[ericbuggeln]

Jeff has a book/DVD combo called Spray Finishing Made Simple. I'm gonna get it Mon. I wouldn't be starting this project before JLC anyways, so I have time to learn and two personal projects that I can practice on.

Got a friend who's a painter coming to look at the Graco 390. I'm hoping to get $400, Eric

 

[tiralie]

Jeff has a book/DVD combo called Spray Finishing Made Simple. I'm gonna get it Mon. I wouldn't be starting this project before JLC anyways, so I have time to learn and two personal projects that I can practice on.

Jeff's book and DVD are good introduction. If you have a McFaddens or Wurth (sponsered by Mohawk) near you that have spray painting courses they will help clear up any nagging doubts about technique etc.

Got a friend who's a painter coming to look at the Graco 390. I'm hoping to get $400, Eric

Too bad you can't keep it.
Tim

 

[ericbuggeln]

Tim, i have never heard of those places. On a positive note, i got the job and am moving forward with this adventure one way or another. Im gonna do the vanities, the first phase of the project in the shop with ZipWall system and then consider doing the mantel and bookcase in place. Right now its the Apollo 1050 VR unless anyone tells me otherwise, thanks for all the help guys and i will post all pics and experiences, Eric

 

[ericbuggeln]

Sold the Graco 390, Eric

 

[ericbuggeln]

Ok guys, it's crunch time. I am going to buy this sprayer as early as tomorrow. By The end of the month I would like to be fairly competent in using it.

Is there anything else I need accessory wise for an Apollo 1050 VR?

If you wanted to turn two vanities, a mantel, and a bookcase white, what brand primer and topcoats would you use. I am looking for spraybility, sheen, and durability, but not in that order?

What supplies can I not do without? I would rather get this stuff sent with the sprayer if possible.

Thanks, Eric

 

[ericbuggeln]

Jason at PaintSprayPlus said i would be nuts not buy this

http://www.paintsprayersplus.com/product/ZAPE5110E7000/Apollo-ASI-HVLP-ECO-5-HVLP-Paint-Sprayer.html

Lots of the same parts as the 1050VR and a fraction of the cost.

For all you pressure pot guys, I researched it fully and getting a huge compressor that I can't get out of the truck on my own or easily transport through someone's house was the big drawback. I also don't have room in my shop or basement for one of those behemoths.  We are gonna have to make do with a turbine unit.

For what its worth Jason the resident pro says that the JC10 is putting out half the cfm that he would recommend of a pressure pot set up. Eric

 

[tjbnwi]

For the how many umpteinth time in this thread YOU DO NOT NEED A LARGE/BIG COMPRESSOR TO RUN A PRESSURE POT. The Jc 10 runs a pot just fine. The largest volume is to the tip and the turbine supplies that air volume.

You do need a large(r) compressor to run a compressor supported gun with or without a pressure pot.

The Apollo you link looks as if it should work for you. Just missing some of the bells and whistles.

I use tinted Kem Aqua Plus. Tim appears to use Target EM6500. Both are cabinet grade products.

Tom