I DO miss my table saw at times

How about simply cutting one piece of each size need to exact size and then cutting the others of that size a little oversize and then pattern routing the rest to match the exact sized pattern piece.  This is pretty fast and very accurate at getting parts of the same size and shape, even if it is an odd shape or a simple rectangle for a cabinet side.

Best,
Todd
 
I had a DeWalt bench-top saw before I discovered Festools.  After trying to use the Festools to replace the saw I reached the same conclusion that others have already mentioned, the table saw is simply better at doing repetitive tasks in the shop (I'm not a pro and don't work outside my shop so job site capability wasn't an issue).  Saved my bucks and bought a sawstop contractor saw.  Couldn't be happier, just like Eiji said, the workhorses are their to do the job so I use mine.

Jay
 
For 30 years the largest tool in my home shop was a marvelous Davis & Wells 14" table saw with a 3hp 220v/1 phase motor. It had been built in 1929 and had just been re-built when I purchased it in 1960 mostly to break down sheet material.

Over the years I needed to build fewer projects. That saw had been lovingly moved from house to house along with my family. Then in 1994 I decided to sell my house and buy a condo. There was no room for any sort of table saw.

In 2006, when I started retirement, I wanted to return to cabinet making. While shopping for a portable, contractors table saw Eagle Tool of Los Angeles demonstrated a Festool TS55 with a CT22. Not only was this combo quiet and clean enough for use in a spare bedroom. Because the sheet material did not move, unlike with a table saw, using guide rails I could break down full sheets with excellent glue-ready cuts.

Early in 2010, so many designers were begging me to make custom cabinets I could not meet demand using just Festools. After months of searching I found a large building in decent shape that was originally a factory and was in an industrial zone, with a very large sliding door.

Instead of rushing to buy another large conventional table saw, I made use of research I had been doing for years. My experience has been that over 90% of cabinet parts only involve right angles, no miters or bevels. This is where beam saws are so precise and efficient. Most have a scoring unit, so they make Festool-quality glue-ready cuts. Mine can handle 5'x12' sheet material. I actually do use a lot of 4'x10' plywood. I like to think of my beam saw as a Festool TS 75 with rails on steroids, with a computer telling servos where to move the rail and the saw moving below the work. Actually the sheet is moved, on an air table to avoid scratches, relative to the moving saw. With the saw under the work in an enclosed chamber, and the pressure beam lowering to hold the work while it is being cut, the dust collection is outstanding.

Cabinets require a lot of solid dimensional lumber to be cut and milled precisely. I bought a large sliding table saw. While I use it mostly ripping lumber, it is very effective making miter and bevel cuts in sheet material. My slider saw has excellent dust collection.

What I have found is that often it is as fast to make miter and bevel cuts on larger sheet good parts using a work table and Festools with guide rails.
 
I guess the reason this thread and ones like it just won't die  [eek] is that there is no one-size-fits-all answer.  If I did repetitive rips all day long, I would give my TS pride of place.  If I routed stuff into a few different profiles all day, I would probably have 3 or 4 router or shaper setups that never changed.  If I had a one car garage and couldn't work outside, then all my tools would be Festool.  There are probably as many different scenarios as there are members of FOG.

To tell the truth, my Unisaw is occasionally brilliantly useful, but I can't say it really justifies the huge amount of space it takes up.  I'm thinking about selling the extension table and the long fence to reclaim some room, maybe for a shaper.  The outfeed table is used mainly as an assembly table these days anyhow.  But if I do that, I'll have to find room for the blades, and sleds, and jigs, etc. [scared] 

I'm just wrapping up a set of six chairs and for a month or so everything was covered with chair parts and chair subassemblies took up so much floor space that I had to do a routine out of Swan Lake to get from the bandsaw to the MFT.  Something's gotta give - wish there was room on this hilltop for a bigger shop!
 
Having done this for nearly 30 years, I'd never be without my TS close at hand, the Festool system is kick a$$ for many things but if I need a 1/2" x 1/2" sqr stock on site... the table saw, among other practices which are not safe and I wont' mention here in public.
 
SO...What all this talk boils down to for me is that what Festool needs to do, is produce a nice little table saw for the American market. It could have a sliding table and 100cm rip fence and use the same size blade as a Kapex. It could fold up and have wheels and collect almost all the dust. It could cost as much as a family vacation in Yellow Stone and I would still buy one. So what is the hold up?
 
Danielkarl said:
SO...What all this talk boils down to for me is that what Festool needs to do, is produce a nice little table saw for the American market. It could have a sliding table and 100cm rip fence and use the same size blade as a Kapex. It could fold up and have wheels and collect almost all the dust. It could cost as much as a family vacation in Yellow Stone and I would still buy one. So what is the hold up?

I would buy it too.

I think they will have to give up the idea of a Prescario or CMS w/TS module and just make a dedicated table saw.

They have all the parts, they just need to put it together differently.

I have a portable Bosch, the older one.  I like the saw, I hate the size of it on it's gravity rise stand.

Part of me wants a nice older cabinet saw to use in my garage but, part of me knows that will lead to buying other stationary tools.

So, I can almost give up a table saw but, not quite.
 
Put me down as another buyer if they made a Festool Table Saw for the US market.  Great Dust collection and for small spaces, I would buy it in an instant.  I am one of those folks who sold the table saw, due to space constrains.  Would I like to have one yes.  I have looked at the Bosch 4100 but would rather have a Festool product, since I know the dust collection would be great.  The one thing I miss about the table saw is being able to quickly rip boards to width.  You can do it with Festool but it just takes more time.  Come on Festool one for the US, since the CMS with the saw is never going to be approved by UL.
 
WarnerConstCo. said:
I think they will have to give up the idea of a Prescario or CMS w/TS module and just make a dedicated table saw.

The Precisio is a dedicated table saw. It's as near to anything on the US market as Festool will ever be likely to get. Festool don't 'do' cast iron!
 
jonny round boy said:
WarnerConstCo. said:
I think they will have to give up the idea of a Prescario or CMS w/TS module and just make a dedicated table saw.

The Precisio is a dedicated table saw. It's as near to anything on the US market as Festool will ever be likely to get. Festool don't 'do' cast iron!

Yes they do,do cast iron, its the guarantee  [big grin]
 
From my limited experience, none of Festool's products - or any combination thereof - is a suitable replacement for a table saw, specially when dealing with repetitive cuts. Yes, you can do almost anything with Festool products that a table saw can do, but the amount of effort and time is insane.

I think Festool products are best for on-site work, where people need to constanly move their tools around. For a "stationary" shop, they are often not the best fit.
 
Mr. Jeff Smith said:
You guys are discussing my dream product.  Something small, smart and does the job a TS usually does.
You guys are making me think I should actually get around to hooking up the Inca 259 I bought a while ago and never set up.
 
irvin00 said:
From my limited experience, none of Festool's products - or any combination thereof - is a suitable replacement for a table saw, specially when dealing with repetitive cuts. Yes, you can do almost anything with Festool products that a table saw can do, but the amount of effort and time is insane.

I think Festool products are best for on-site work, where people need to constanly move their tools around. For a "stationary" shop, they are often not the best fit.

My shop is loaded with Festool and I wouldn't have it any other way, and they do make two table saws, of which, I own one (besides the CMS)
The 2.2 Kw Precisio gets used more than the 4Kw Felder.
 
NuggyBuggy said:
You guys are making me think I should actually get around to hooking up the Inca 259 I bought a while ago and never set up.

You do that - I have the same saw and it is a little charm. Kind of Swiss made Festool quality of the seventies  :)

Actually I have 3 INCA machines: The 259 tablesaw, a 310 bandsaw and a 343 Jointer with 348 thickness planer

Finally I do have an old 500 pound sliding tablesaw running on 400 Volt which I think of selling. Airmail to the states anyone  [big grin]
 
I'm located in the USA - where there are no Festool table saws :-(

But to each his own: if you prefer Festool to anything else, you'll not get an argument from me. I respect your position. My preference is to have the best tool I can have for the type of woodworking I do, and sometimes it is Festool, but most times it is not.

William Herrold said:
irvin00 said:
From my limited experience, none of Festool's products - or any combination thereof - is a suitable replacement for a table saw, specially when dealing with repetitive cuts. Yes, you can do almost anything with Festool products that a table saw can do, but the amount of effort and time is insane.

I think Festool products are best for on-site work, where people need to constanly move their tools around. For a "stationary" shop, they are often not the best fit.

My shop is loaded with Festool and I wouldn't have it any other way, and they do make two table saws, of which, I own one (besides the CMS)
The 2.2 Kw Precisio gets used more than the 4Kw Felder.
 
irvin00 said:
I think Festool products are best for on-site work, where people need to constanly move their tools around. For a "stationary" shop, they are often not the best fit.

But isn't that the case for most users here on FOG? A happy bunch of Pro on-siters and happy amateurs with chronically too small garages ...
 
I don't think Festool equipment is any different from the competition when it comes to shop space. That's not a factor in my book.

meldgaard said:
irvin00 said:
I think Festool products are best for on-site work, where people need to constanly move their tools around. For a "stationary" shop, they are often not the best fit.

But isn't that the case for most users here on FOG? A happy bunch of Pro on-siters and happy amateurs with chronically too small garages ...
 
irvin00 said:
I don't think Festool equipment is any different from the competition when it comes to shop space. That's not a factor in my book.

Maybe not with Festool equipment, but Festool Solutions - like TS55 + FS - I consider space saving (said the man with 3 tablesaws)
 
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