I just made an impulse buy! (domino)

[Wuffles]

Think there are some rebadged ones about, you'd have to look them up. Quite funny YouTube videos about them though. All depends on your application..

If you go cyclone, a midi will do the job adequately. Think it's the same suction, just a nasty right angle on the hose like pixel mentioned.

 

[Iceclimber]

Moving CT's around the shop switching cords and hoses really does get old real quick.

I almost purchased a third CT this week so i can have one dedicated to my Kapex as i do today. Another dedicated to my MFT and CMS table then another to go under my sheet goods cutting table.

As is now my Midi sits under the Kapex full time and goes on sight with me when need be. My CT 36 sits as central in my shop as it can but does need to be moved when i use my CMS and for cutting sheet goods on my cut table.

First world problems but when you are working trying to get something done it does get kinda annoying switching crap up every five minutes.

The good news is to date i have just taken my CT outside when its full and used my shop vacuum to remove the contents from the CT bags. Even more annoying than moving a CT around the shop all day but better than going broke on filters or not having Festool honor a their warranty because i was using a Dust Deputy or something like it. 

 

[jmac80]

So out of interest why don't you guys use something like this:

in your garages / workshops. could have a few inlets dotted about the place at each work station?

 

[L66]

I bought a midi to go with my domino and ETS 125 EQ sander.  It is perfect, and mobile enough to take anywhere.

Ian

 

[WoodWhisperer]

Moving CT's around the shop switching cords and hoses really does get old real quick.

I almost purchased a third CT this week so i can have one dedicated to my Kapex as i do today. Another dedicated to my MFT and CMS table then another to go under my sheet goods cutting table.

As is now my Midi sits under the Kapex full time and goes on sight with me when need be. My CT 36 sits as central in my shop as it can but does need to be moved when i use my CMS and for cutting sheet goods on my cut table.

First world problems but when you are working trying to get something done it does get kinda annoying switching crap up every five minutes.

The good news is to date i have just taken my CT outside when its full and used my shop vacuum to remove the contents from the CT bags. Even more annoying than moving a CT around the shop all day but better than going broke on filters or not having Festool honor a their warranty because i was using a Dust Deputy or something like it.

I feel your pain! I have one midi and in a bad way need a 2nd midi!  Festool should just sale the Kapex with a midi because once u get one u automatically need at least two.

Sean

 

[Iceclimber]

I will buy a commercial dust collector sooner or later. It is the only logical solution in a real shop with not just Festools but also full sized tools.

Right now i have to hold off as i am tapping into my dryers 220 to run my big tools and i have a maxed out 100amp service as is. Also space is a consideration. I just hate giving over that much room for something that is not a tool.

The other part is i want to get at least a 3 horse machine as i will have high expectations of its dust collection capacity. Again what is limiting me with regard to the horsepower is my electrical. A 5 horse SawStop and a 3 horse dust collector from what i can figure will need 48 amps of 220 power. Right now if i steel the dedicated line of 220 i have to my microwave and combine it with my dryer i still only have 40 amps to play with.

So for now juggling CT'S is the most economical and practical solution. I love my 1926 home but i am beginning to loath its electrical limitations and cost associated with it. Worse part is i need a roof and that will happen before the electrical work. I converted from oil to gas, and a gravity water system to a hot air system with Central air. I also got upgraded the old electrical hot water with a gas fired tankless system. So between that and all the Festools and various other tools I'm getting pretty tapped out. Ill do the roof myself i think. I hate to do it but any contractor i can afford will cut corners and any contractor that will not cut corners wants like 4-5 times the price of the others. I cant blame them but $25k for a hip roof on a 1100sq ft bungalow with one shed dormer is not gonna happen?

Thats why i don't just get a dust collector lol

So out of interest why don't you guys use something like this:

in your garages / workshops. could have a few inlets dotted about the place at each work station?

 

[WoodWhisperer]

I have a delta 1 1/2 horse dust collector that works great for my small shop.  It runs off of 110. I use it for cabinet table saw, planer, jointer, and a few other things. With blast gates it has plenty of suction.  U just have to keep the blast gates closed on the tools u aren't using.

 

[Iceclimber]

Hmm, really?

At that rate i would be playing with 6.5 horse max as my not yet acquired but soon to be SawStop will be 5 of those horse. So 6.5 horse at a needed 6 amps per horse gives me exactly 39 amps with one amp to spare if i combine my 20 amp dryer and microwave circuits.

Hmmm, now how do i combine those circuits. Splicing in extra outlets and junction boxes is a pice of cake but combining two circuits may be a bit beyond me. Im sure if i ask the right people the right questions its well with my ability to accomplish.

Thanks for he heads up. You are not the first to tell me 1.5 horse is plenty. I have a tablesaw, planer, jointer and bandsaw i will be looking to hook up. Well not the jointer as it has no dust collection having been mDe in the 30's. Im sure that will change at some point though..

I have a delta 1 1/2 horse dust collector that works great for my small shop.  It runs off of 110. I use it for cabinet table saw, planer, jointer, and a few other things. With blast gates it has plenty of suction.  U just have to keep the blast gates closed on the tools u aren't using.

 

[Pixel]

Hmm yeah
The auto clean one is only £10 more.
Never considered a cyclone, could get one in the future.
What sort of price are the bags and are there cheaper alternatives or can they be reused?

So this one maybe Festool CTM 26 E AC 240V 26L CLEANTEC Mobile Dust Extractor £586

the Festool 584098 Mobile dust extractor - CTL48 E AC GB 240V new code 584085 is only £635 if only it was a M model  [crying]

cheers james

If you get an auto clean version of a vac (I can only vouch for Hilti and Festool as they are the only vacs I use) you don't need to use a bag, both manufactures sell lay in plastic liners that can be used to aid removal but you just reuse them, you only need to use bags if your extracting Low and Medium risk waste such as most fine saw dust.

 

[jmac80]

If you get an auto clean version of a vac (I can only vouch for Hilti and Festool as they are the only vacs I use) you don't need to use a bag, both manufactures sell lay in plastic liners that can be used to aid removal but you just reuse them, you only need to use bags if your extracting Low and Medium risk waste such as most fine saw dust.

Hi
Do you have a link for that plastic liner please?
I did see a Longlife filter bag but its over £100!

 

[Wuffles]

I did see a Longlife filter bag but its over £100!

That's the one I was referring to. Hideously expensive and I did read somewhere (perhaps not here) that they're not THAT good.

 

[Pixel]

If you get an auto clean version of a vac (I can only vouch for Hilti and Festool as they are the only vacs I use) you don't need to use a bag, both manufactures sell lay in plastic liners that can be used to aid removal but you just reuse them, you only need to use bags if your extracting Low and Medium risk waste such as most fine saw dust.

Hi
Do you have a link for that plastic liner please?
I did see a Longlife filter bag but its over £100!
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The part number is 496215
I recently bought some and from memory they were £20 + VAT for 5

 

[jmac80]

Well them bags look a little more like it!
I guess you could use them for normal pine etc and if doing mdf use the bags?
My thoughts are either the ctm26 ac or a midi with a cyclone mounted out of the way somewhere.
Checking vids of cyclones and they look real good and only about £40 or so, Looking at dust mite cyclone, dust commander or this cheap one on offer at rutlands for £39  http://www.rutlands.co.uk/pp+woodworking-workshop-equipment-dust-collection+d01000?promo=DK2103

[smile]

 

[Wuffles]

I hope there's a pressure relief valve on that flimsy looking plastic bucket. I crushed a steel bucket with a blocked CT26 when first experimenting.

Anyone got one of these from Rutlands? If they don't crush first time you block I'd be tempted at that price.

 

[Stone Message]

I hope there's a pressure relief valve on that flimsy looking plastic bucket. I crushed a steel bucket with a blocked CT26 when first experimenting.

Anyone got one of these from Rutlands? If they don't crush first time you block I'd be tempted at that price.

Try a bottom of the range Dust Deputy, mine was about $35 3 years ago. It does not get crushed by my CT26 and takes 99.9% of the dust and debris out. I change my bag once a year.

Peter

 

[Wuffles]

I hope there's a pressure relief valve on that flimsy looking plastic bucket. I crushed a steel bucket with a blocked CT26 when first experimenting.

Anyone got one of these from Rutlands? If they don't crush first time you block I'd be tempted at that price.

Try a bottom of the range Dust Deputy, mine was about $35 3 years ago. It does not get crushed by my CT26 and takes 99.9% of the dust and debris out. I change my bag once a year.

Peter

How much was it including import duty and delivery? They seem to be about the £50 mark in the UK...that's the DIY version, whatever that equates to.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Wuffles,

It came back in the luggage. The only time I saw them on sale in the UK was when Intelligent Workshop was trading (before it closed up) and I seem to remember that they were rather over priced - certainly more than £50. If I needed another I would certainly pay £50 for one.

Cyclone Central here in the UK send out cyclone kits for self assembly (I have the 100 mm one) but the 50 mm one, which is the same size as a DD, would crush if a CT had a blocked pipe. It is possible to use a pressure relief valve in these cyclones. I have one on the top of my drop box for the 100 mm cyclone and it works brilliantly. I made mine in about 20 minutes and it is not rocket science.

Peter

 

[jmac80]

Ok all  [embarassed]
Got fed up researching so ordered Festool CTM 26 E AC 240V 26L CLEANTEC Mobile Dust Extractor
Will get some of the reusable plastic bags straight away and a cyclone setup soon.
Thanks everyone.  [smile]

 

[Wuffles]

So which collector do you have it placed on that won't get crushed by a blocked CT26 if there's no pressure relief on it? I am guessing if you brought it back from the States then you'd have just the cyclone in your luggage, so I'm curious what would help the OP most.

I reinforced my home built Thein cyclone collector bucket (a 30L thin steel cannister) with a 2mm sheet steel ring internally, rather than bother with* a pressure relief valve.

The Dust Deputy DIY appears not to come with a drop box (http://www.toolovation.co.uk/product_p/axd001004.htm) and is expensive really considering, so am checking whether or not it needs a pressure relief - I'm struggling to figure out why it wouldn't unless it's ultimately leaky and not very good at suction?

*try and get my head around.

 

[jmac80]

The part number is 496215
I recently bought some and from memory they were £20 + VAT for 5

That part number references "36" i take it they are fine on the 26 also or is it different ones for the 26?

https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=496215&name=CT-disposal-bags-ENS-CT-36-AC-5