IKEA. So, have you been to one yet?

Steveo48

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My wife and I went to the new IKEA in West Chester OH yesterday.  Big HUMONGUS big box store with irritating blue and yellow metal sides and trim.

I was really surprised by the unbelievably low prices that were matched only by the the ultra low quality of their goods, and IKEA is a buy it and you-put-it-together-yourself retailer.

I looked at their kitchens and I liked some of the things they are doing, but sheeeesh!  it won't last long.

I left their thinking they made Walmart look good!

Steve
 
It's got its place. A lot of younger, less affluent, folk have no choice. Don'y knock it.....it's just not your scene........it's one of the success stories of retailing worldwide.
 
ikea kitchens have full depth units designed around the continental method of providing all services and waste outlets from under the floor

english services and waste outlets are set high and fixed to the walls

so fitting them is a pain

and the customers who have bought them to save money whine when you charge them for assembling them
 
dirtydeeds said:
ikea kitchens have full depth units designed around the continental method of providing all services and waste outlets from under the floor

english services and waste outlets are set high and fixed to the walls

so fitting them is a pain

and the customers who have bought them to save money whine when you charge them for assembling them

I agree but there are advantages to that too, namely much less wasted space where the pipework normally sits in conventional kitchen units in the UK. And let's face it the problems of fitting are pretty basic. The quality is much better than MFI, Magnet and Howdens.
 
My house is prectically furnished in IKEA (until I can afford better quality stuff). It impressive what you can do by combining pieces. I have a wall-length buffet storage system in my family room that's made of 5 2-door buffets side-by-side. You'd never notice on first glance - people always ask if I built it. But there's no way I could have made it for the price I paid. My daughter's room has a Malm bed nestled between Bonde bookcases with doors on the bottom. Looks very clean, and has tons of storage. I used to pooh-pooh IKEA, but their design is great, the pieces look good together, and they're generally durable and functional. I've had problems with the veneer peeling off from pieces in full sun, but mostly it all works. I have a few pieces of my custom-built solid-wood furniture mixed in the IKEA stuff, and it doesn't clash.

And once you've been in their store a few hundred times, it gets much easier to navigate...
 
We still use our 20 year old Ikea dining table chairs three times a day, and no signs of wear (except seat covers replaced a few times)...  One of the few things I miss after moving from the US east coast to New Mexico.
 
The Woodentop said:
It's got its place. A lot of younger, less affluent, folk have no choice. Don'y knock it.....it's just not your scene........it's one of the success stories of retailing worldwide.

I agree with Woodentop.  (Mark your calendars, folks!  :D )

IKEA is impressive.  Probably the best thought-out manufacturer-to-end-user chain going.  Americans excel in logistics, but no one's better than IKEA.

IKEA does provide a reasonable value, and offers style choices that were not previously available to Americans at the price level.

IKEA had a store in every province of Canada before coming to the States.  I first saw IKEA in Montreal, and was bowled over by their products and marketing.  I have since installed two IKEA kitchens and been pleased with the value that each represented.

Someone mentioned on FOG that buying carcases from IKEA worked well.  I agree.

Ned

 
IKEA has been in Canada for at least 25 years and, during that time, I have purchased a lot of stuff from them both for our home and for some of my business locales.  I find the design of their furniture to be very good.  :)  It's too bad  :(  that the material they use is often of inferior quality, but I guess that is what they are forced to do to compete on price.
 
Ned Young said:
The Woodentop said:
It's got its place. A lot of younger, less affluent, folk have no choice. Don'y knock it.....it's just not your scene........it's one of the success stories of retailing worldwide.

I agree with Woodentop.  (Mark your calendars, folks!  :D )

IKEA is impressive.  Probably the best thought-out manufacturer-to-end-user chain going.  Americans excel in logistics, but no one's better than IKEA.

IKEA does provide a reasonable value, and offers style choices that were not previously available to Americans at the price level.

IKEA had a store in every province of Canada before coming to the States.  I first saw IKEA in Montreal, and was bowled over by their products and marketing.  I have since installed two IKEA kitchens and been pleased with the value that each represented.

Someone mentioned on FOG that buying carcases from IKEA worked well.  I agree.

Ned

Careful Ned, we don't want people to start rumours!

Larry
 
This is really long winded.  So, you might want to just skip reading this.  My apologies for probably wasting your time!

Seattle has had an IKEA in nearby Renton for several years now.  It was unique in that former employees of IKEA international owned this IKEA as a franchise.  They recently sold it to the parent company which, if I recall correctly, is still a privately held Swedish company (please correct me if I'm wrong!).  Full disclosure:  I don't work for IKEA, never have, and I don't have friends who work there. 

My family and I followed the "typical" IKEA purchase trajectory.  As a "young" (I'm now 56 and our daughter is 15) family we purchased many items from tables to beds and silverware.  As our tastes changed or we went through one of our many moves due to my work, we would buy to replace or bump up the furnishings price food chain (i.e., purchase from retailers other than IKEA).  We felt, and still do, that IKEA represents a reasonable price/value proposition.  We don't purchase as much now as we did before.  Primarily because we reached a point where we've settled on a design and decor that we finally feel is "ours".  We also don't wear out or feel that we need to chase the design/fashion curve.  In other words, we're older (note that I've left out "wiser").

Our local IKEA (and after visiting other IKEAs) always expanded, had fresh and "stimulating" merchandising that kept things looking new and exciting.  They really made themselves into a destination retailer (the restaurant, kids' Ball Room, customer services and facilities.  I've been in retail for most of my adult working life and I know how hard it is to keep financial, merchandising and customers in balance.  On top of it, the store(s) are tidy, clean and relatively friendly.  Not many big box stores, in my opinion, can claim this.  IKEA also has a reasonable policy on sustainable and non-toxic components and sourcing.

The customers I've seen in the store and parking lots (a steady stream on weekends) represent the diversity of the area:  Caucasian, Asians, African American, Latin American. . .and economic diversity as well.  Young couples as well as retirees.  Full disclosure again:  I'm Asian and my wife is Caucasian.  I'm good with the "Scandi-hoovian" ethos of the place.

It's not without its frustrations.  Not everything is of the best quality.  The best you can say sometimes is that it's consistently mid-grade.  The layout of the store changes often and it's easy to get frustrated trying to find a department that's moved over the weekend to the opposite corner of the store.  The assortment of products seemingly changes from day to day.  And it's nearly impossible to replace a damaged or defective item from year-to-year.

Customers vote with their feet and their dollars.  IKEA has done a very job in many areas and I think will weather current customer needs and the economy. 

Oh, and by the way, I installed a complete IKEA kitchen in my home 7 years ago.  A local cabinet maker quoted $22,000 for cabinets only.  Doing the work myself, including electrical, basic plumbing, engineered wood flooring, SileStone countertops, the total was $18,000.  To be sure, I was fortunate in that the cabinets required no modifications other than reinforcing the tops for the stone countertops and that the run of cabinets was exactly the same as the stock IKEA cabinets.  That saved alot of time and aggravation.  Ordering all the components I needed required a spreadsheet and I still managed to miss a few.  I also elected to pick up all the materials at IKEA.  That took three trips in my Honda CR-V.  I wouldn't do that again if you paid me.  Nearly everything went together perfectly with a minimum of tools (I did learn that cutting or trimming panels required a good power saw.  I went from a PC circular saw to a Bosch jigsaw to, finally, the Bosch bench top saw.).

It has been of excellent quality and continues to age well.  It's outlasted a refrigerator and dishwasher.  It's taken a lot of abuse from a growing child and now her teenage friends (there's nothing quite like foraging teenage males).  I also have installed the IKEA bamboo flooring in a high traffic retail store with great results.  I liked it so much that I've installed the flooring in our home's "all purpose" (formerly named the "family room") room.

And here's the kicker:  installing the kitchen opened my eyes to the wacky world of woodworking.  Afterwards, I wasn't as a daunted by the prospect of assembling, installing or modifying cabinetry.  "Hey, even I can do this!".  Since the kitchen I've torn out and remodeled two bathrooms and an all purpose room. 

During the past 7 years I've purchased many hand and power tools (including an ungodly amount of Festool), decided to change careers and have become a professional designer of furniture and now own a business devoted to design, design consultancy and fabrication.  I purchased from IKEA to save money and in the process have gained a greater appreciation of the design and craft that many of the FOG members possess as professionals or as an avocation.  I understand much more clearly from a cost-of-goods and profit point-of-view what money can buy.  It has made it easier to explain and demonstrate the difference between off-the-shelf and custom goods/services to customers

In a very roundabout way, IKEA is to blame for my Festool purchases.  IKEA was my "gateway drug" for the Festool addiction.

Thanks for your patience.
 
That's brilliant. And it shows that one shouldn't just plain condemn. We all have a way of looking at the same thing and each person's opinion is as valid as the next. Like Ikea or hate Ikea. Ikea is here to stay for the foreseeable future.....proves that plenty of people approve of the ethos. If you don't like Ikea don't go there but please don't try to put me off.
 
Hey Rom - I agree completely. I think it must be a total blast to be an IKEA furniture designer. The constraints are considerable (flat packing, fasteners, simple assembly, etc.), but they continually pump out attractive pieces. There are definitely some duds, though, and I have bought many. The in-joke in our family is that you don't make only one trip to IKEA. You'll be back to get that missing screw, or to replace the leg that broke, or the door with the crushed corner. Our kitchen table took three trips, and some serious planing before I could get it to open and close to get the leaf in. They don't sell it anymore.

My first IKEA experience was in Copenhagen, when I lived there for 6 months. When they built an IKEA here in San Diego, I felt right at home - everything was identical to the Copenhagen one. Very comfortable. Even the child care was exceptional (my daughter liked to go there just to play in the ball pit). We have a chain of stores here called Plummers, that is a step up from IKEA - better veneers, slightly nicer design. It's still not "real" furniture, but it's pretty decent stuff for the money. Someday I'll do like you - furnish my place with my own pieces. Working on a set of diningroom chairs right now...

BTW, nice web site. I like your design aesthetic.

Poto
 
I agree with above. It has a place. If you're careful about selection and assembly, they have some great stuff. Some of the simple pieces we've been abusing for five or more years, a couple of things that survived an international move. That last house I sold had 3k worth of glass and aluminum front wardrobes installed which probably added about 15k to the sale price. We don't buy anything much there now, it's a fair drive, there's only one store in Melbourne and everything is more than it was in Cali, so it's more incentive to build your own. The exception would be paper lamps. We had them in the US and had to can them because of the voltage, but were able to replace them with the same ones over here. Helped to lessen the pains of transition, even if only a little bit.
 
Yes, I forgot about the lamps. I'm sitting beside the Noguchi-like rounded cylinder one right now (and near three other floor and table reading lamps from IKEA). They have a cute set of male-female paper lamps out right now. They're very creative. I also have about 20 of their picture frames in various shapes and sizes. Great value. And everybody has a Poang chair somewhere!
 
bring a good supply of cheese along so you can find your way out once you have entered the labyrinth.  My wife and son went with me for the first time not too long ago in Frisco, Tx.  We actually got a bit frustrated as we had to wander down corridor after corridor through the store before we finally found our way out.  Interesting products and the store was absolutely packed with people.  If fact, for such a big store, LOML was actually starting to freak out a bit as she felt kind of trapped between all the people and the not so clear exits!  Haven't been back since but I may try again on my own.  The store is about 5 min from my office so a lunch time browsing isn't out of the question. 
 
Hey Howard - as an IKEA professional (been there innumerable times, don't work there, never will), I can offer some advice on navigating your way around the store. As far as I know, all the stores are arranged in basically the same pattern. You'll notice that there are arrows on the floor, guiding you along a windy route that will take you sequentially through living rooms, shelving, dining rooms, kitchens, bedrooms, offices and kids stuff (this varies with time and with store). Then you go down stairs and do the kitchen stuff, drapes and bedding, bathroom stuff, office things and storage, pictures, lamps, and into the rugs, floors and plants. Then (dun dun dunnnn) the warehouse.

Once you've figured this out, you'll notice that every now and then there are little shortcuts so you can avoid large chunks of this permabulation. There's always a quick way to the restaurant and rest rooms, and other little pathways that'll take you from kitchens to offices without the bedrooms, etc. Because the stores are laid out this way, if you ever feel the need to turn around and go back, you're doomed! The tide of unwashed humanity will carry you along as you struggle up the current like a salmon yearning to spawn. So it's always good to step to the side at spots that interest you, and not try to backtrack. Just finish the trip, and start all over... (I'm mostly kidding...)

In my many trips to IKEA I've noticed that there seem to be times that are dominated by particular ethnic groups - hispanics, asian, caucasian. Don't really know why, but it's pretty interesting to see when people do there shopping.

All in all, I think getting to know your IKEA is a useful experience. You can furnish a house quite nicely for very little money. And if you have kids going to college....
 
The brilliance of IKEA's kitchens are that they are all an ecosystem of parts. After we remodeled out kitchen with beautiful dovetailed birch plywood drawers and full extension Blum glides I ended up with some crappy plastic utensil tray to organize the various kitchen gadgets I have collected over the years. My point being that I felt like I had foolishly spent our budget on the drawer but failed to see beyond an empty box. IKEA from what I can gather uses BLUM Tandembox glides for their drawer boxes which also means they can also utilize Tandembox's organization system for utensils, cutlery, plates and bowls all the way to plastic wrap... brilliant! True, I could have had our contractor also make custom dividers for our drawers but that would was way over our budget and I was Festool-less at the time :-)

I see IKEA as poor man's Bulthaup or Poliform if you like that kind of modern aesthetic.

In the same way I love Festool's approach to an ecosystem of tools, so too does IKEA approach an ecosystem of living. The sum of the parts is greater than the whole in many ways.
 
poto said:
Hey Rom - I agree completely. I think it must be a total blast to be an IKEA furniture designer. ....
Poto

I agree, if you love Danish Modern.  If you don't you'd need an anti-depressant!  ;D

I come from a different generation I guess.  I grew up in a house full of antiques my parents bought, repaired and refinished, it was cheaper than new then.

When I was in school and had my first apt, the last thing I wanted or needed was rooms full of new furniture.  I went with the late attic,  early basement decorating scheme.  I had hand-me-downs, went to estate auctions and yard sales.  My first new couch was a gift, didn't replace it until 22 years later (it survived 2 kids) and it's being used in a college dorm right now (solid piece from Hickory, NC!).  Many of the pieces I bought over 25 years ago I still use.

IKEA stuff is incredably cheap but what I saw isn't going to be lasting, certainly not handed down to the next young couple needing something for their first new place.  Your new IKEA furniture will hit the landfill long before it's had a chance to serve you long and then serve someone else. :-[  That suprises me from a culture that is supposed to be very sensative to waste.

Steve
Resident Festool Troll  :P
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