Festeringtool, do you truly not understand that it was not your criticism of Festool that was the issue? It was your tone and attitude as exemplified in your last post about us being a wimpish lot. Nobody here has any problem with true cristicism or complaints against the tools and in fact we welcome it as it often leads to helping not only us but Festool as well. However, we never will accept this coming in the form of attacks, flame wars or anything else of this ilk. Fred
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festeringtool said:
Perhaps the problem is that you still think it is criticism of Festool that put you in your present position. Instead of coming in here with both guns blazing about how over-the-top we all are about this tool why don't you just ask if there might be something you are missing? You just posted that you might need to reassess you opinion about the Domino. That's a start. If you still wind up thinking of it as a biscuit joiner after due diligence, well, we can live with it. If you stick around awhile someone just might (did) post a creative way to use it that coould change your outlook. These things happen all the time around here. Most of us are drawn here specifically because of the creative and friendly atmosphere and are put off by anyone shooten' up the place.
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No - I still think the domino is overpriced but can't post what I want to due the monitoring.......
Festeringtool, are you truly saying that you cannot speak about the Domino or any other tool without being disparaging or snide??? If you really have an issue with any of these tools and can lay it out coherently nobody minds and as I stated before we actually welcome it. Fred
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Of course I can but I don't appreciate being warned off with emails from Schenker if I don't tow the party line.
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Always have been civil - perhaps quick to the point - but you have to admit there are some anoraks on here - why fight it!
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The Woodentop said:
OK, I'm assuming your post was an awkward attempt at humor, because, for whatever reason, instead of being angry, I found myself laughing when I read your last line.
The irony is, I was about to take the "I'M BEING MONITORED" status off earlier today. It seemed festeringtool was trying a better tack in some of his posts. But then, there I was busily working on something else when I received five "reported post" e-mails from members regarding festeringtool. My hopes were dashed!
To answer your question, I would very much like to have festeringtool return to normal status. But again, it's a community thing. Let's see if the complaints stop.
Matthew
In case you haven't noticed, you're not being civil now. To date, your comments have been rude, insensitive, and content-free. Whether you appreciate being labeled like this is of no concern to me.
If you don't appreciate being labeled, no one is keeping you here. You can leave at any time and we can return to being anoraks.
Actually, there is another option... You know that the forum has a polling mechanism. What do you think the results would be if FOG members took a poll with a question like, "Would you be in favor of banning festertool from FOG?"
I hope you have just a peachy-keen day!
Dan.
If you don't appreciate being labeled, no one is keeping you here. You can leave at any time and we can return to being anoraks.
Actually, there is another option... You know that the forum has a polling mechanism. What do you think the results would be if FOG members took a poll with a question like, "Would you be in favor of banning festertool from FOG?"
I hope you have just a peachy-keen day!
Dan.
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Some touchy little chaps on here......
Festeringtool,
I looked at your past posts to see what the fuss is about. I think it's your use of the word cock to be frank. Just tone it down. I mean I don't see a thing you said that is out of line other than possibly that. I also beleive that you wouldn't possibly realize that if it's part of your vernacular. I don't see what else it was. I think you were just trying to be blunt, yet the use of that word is probably not the same here in the United States.
The Anorak comment was just plain funny, I mean it had to be looked up to be understood.
Timmy probably got a laugh on that too. He'd tell us, but it seems he's a sick dog this week. Obviously, we all get to be a bit boring when expounding upon subjects dear to our own heart. Whoops, I'm probably getting boring.
Anyway, welcome.
I looked at your past posts to see what the fuss is about. I think it's your use of the word cock to be frank. Just tone it down. I mean I don't see a thing you said that is out of line other than possibly that. I also beleive that you wouldn't possibly realize that if it's part of your vernacular. I don't see what else it was. I think you were just trying to be blunt, yet the use of that word is probably not the same here in the United States.
The Anorak comment was just plain funny, I mean it had to be looked up to be understood.
Timmy probably got a laugh on that too. He'd tell us, but it seems he's a sick dog this week. Obviously, we all get to be a bit boring when expounding upon subjects dear to our own heart. Whoops, I'm probably getting boring. Anyway, welcome.
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festeringtool said:
Civil??? You have GOT to be kidding. "Anorak" and "pretty wimpish lot" don't sound civil to me! Do I need to go back into your posts and dig up more examples of incivility? Perhaps if you actually tried to be civil, some or all of the complaints to Matthew would stop? (BTW, I'm not one of the folks that is complaining to Matthew.)
May I offer some advice?
1. Read your posts BEFORE you post them to see if the language and/or "tone" you are using might be offensive.
2. Make some posts that would be helpful to others.
3. Change your FOG name.
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Thanks Terp.
Glad somebody can see the wood for the trees.....
Glad somebody can see the wood for the trees.....
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festering
if the "im being monitored" epithet had been in existance a few weeks ago I WOULD have been on it
i took notice, i thought about it, and decided it was reasonable, so i shut my gob (english)
accept the critism. be humble
if the "im being monitored" epithet had been in existance a few weeks ago I WOULD have been on it
i took notice, i thought about it, and decided it was reasonable, so i shut my gob (english)
accept the critism. be humble
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festering
the guys and gals here are very forgiving, but dont abuse them
the guys and gals here are very forgiving, but dont abuse them
Ah, but DD, you had a body of posts that were useful, informative, and entertaining. We knew you better. If you were close to needing monitoring (and I can't recall why you think you would have been), we could fall back on the other experience we had of you, and cut you slack.
festeringtool, on the other hand, has--starting with his chosen screen name and continuing through every day he has posted--shown a bad attitude. Being unhappy about Festool is accepted around here, simply being incendiary and rude to the group is not. In fact, except in the broadest terms, none of his posts have had anything to do with Festool. They could have been made about any product.
The latest of festeringtool's posts continue the pattern. While they are less offensive than his initial work, they are just as pointless. Yes, many of us will post something like "that's interesting" or "have to think about that". The same posts from festeringtool simply look, to me at least at least, like an attempt to lay low for a while. I think the tone of his comments today in this thread show that he has not changed.
We still have no evidence that festeringtool owns or is considering owning any Festool.
I agree with daviddubya, the screen name is unacceptable. But don't trouble yourself to change it, festeringtool. Simply go away. You've wasted enough of our time, and attempted to damage the atmosphere of FOG enough.
Ned
festeringtool, on the other hand, has--starting with his chosen screen name and continuing through every day he has posted--shown a bad attitude. Being unhappy about Festool is accepted around here, simply being incendiary and rude to the group is not. In fact, except in the broadest terms, none of his posts have had anything to do with Festool. They could have been made about any product.
The latest of festeringtool's posts continue the pattern. While they are less offensive than his initial work, they are just as pointless. Yes, many of us will post something like "that's interesting" or "have to think about that". The same posts from festeringtool simply look, to me at least at least, like an attempt to lay low for a while. I think the tone of his comments today in this thread show that he has not changed.
We still have no evidence that festeringtool owns or is considering owning any Festool.
I agree with daviddubya, the screen name is unacceptable. But don't trouble yourself to change it, festeringtool. Simply go away. You've wasted enough of our time, and attempted to damage the atmosphere of FOG enough.
Ned
from Reply #27 this thread:
The betting windows are still open!
Dirty Deeds made an appropriate suggestion to festering. I do remember something that DD said earlier that upset some people, although I don't remember the details. It is clear, however, that he did look back over his own remarks and toned things down a little. Along the way, however, he has been making a number of suggestions and helpful comments to the group. He also provided a series of pictures on his recent (beautiful!!!) cabinet work. DD is obviously engaged in the forum, and he takes his craft seriously.
As stated earlier, whatever the issues were with DD, they were minor, and have faded into the background. That's because his balance sheet is way in his favor!
Now go back and look at festering's prior posts. Any substance there? Not that you'd notice . . .
iggy
The betting windows are still open!
Dirty Deeds made an appropriate suggestion to festering. I do remember something that DD said earlier that upset some people, although I don't remember the details. It is clear, however, that he did look back over his own remarks and toned things down a little. Along the way, however, he has been making a number of suggestions and helpful comments to the group. He also provided a series of pictures on his recent (beautiful!!!) cabinet work. DD is obviously engaged in the forum, and he takes his craft seriously.
As stated earlier, whatever the issues were with DD, they were minor, and have faded into the background. That's because his balance sheet is way in his favor!
Now go back and look at festering's prior posts. Any substance there? Not that you'd notice . . .
iggy
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Matthew I have a few questions. First, what are grounds for a member to be removed from this forum? I know the best thing to do is to let a problem like this go away on its own, how long do we wait before action is taken to remove the problem member? Festeringtool has shown he is not interested in being a responsible member. More to the point he only wants to disrupt this forum, upset its members and degrade this forum's content.
One last thing, I'd like to see members have to use real name as "user names." Starting with new members. I believe this helps to promote responsible posts. I know there is possible problems with this type of policy, I would however like to talk about the pros and cons.
One last thing, I'd like to see members have to use real name as "user names." Starting with new members. I believe this helps to promote responsible posts. I know there is possible problems with this type of policy, I would however like to talk about the pros and cons.
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Here is my opinion:
Why does Festering tool bother you so much? If you do not like it when you see his posts DON"T READ THEM. I have read all festeringtools posts, whats the big deal.
I get enough unwanted phone calls and emails . The real name should be signed up with, but the user name should be what ever the person wants, real or not. I believe the cons far outweigh the good when talking about an internet forum. You can always PM someone with your real name.
A better solution is to find a way for individual users to block anyone they don't like to hear, from displaying on their screens. Sellers can block any buyers they do not want to see bid on their items on eBay, that sort of thing.
Here are a few reasons it may be a bad idea:
1) With a real name I can find out your phone number, address social security number, if you have been arrested, your credit and more. I will not tell how, though anyone that really searches the internet and has a few bucks can find out for themselves.
2) User names sometimes reflect a persons personality and adds a level of fun.
3) A lot of great advice and comments will be lost if real names have to be listed because people tend to speak up less if they have to use the real name. This maybe a pro for you.
4) People do not necessarily want their neighbors or people they do not know well or at all knowing they have 80,000.00 worth of tools in their garage(I don't just an example). People assume anyone with Festools have money, though I am always broke.
5)Using real names makes it way to easy for scammers to target "FOG" users.
6)"FOG" forum my not grow as big as it could because people just do not trust the internet and using real names will turn away many from joining.
7) Many people may not make "constructive criticism" or correct mistakes for fear of retribution because some one takes it the wrong way. I like to hear people make an ass out of themselves. I have thick skin. This may be a pro for you.
Why make it even simpler for the undesirables to track you down. Once on the net always on the net.
These and many and many more reasons are why auction sites like eBay do not make you use real names and even recommend against it.
nickao
Why does Festering tool bother you so much? If you do not like it when you see his posts DON"T READ THEM. I have read all festeringtools posts, whats the big deal.
I get enough unwanted phone calls and emails . The real name should be signed up with, but the user name should be what ever the person wants, real or not. I believe the cons far outweigh the good when talking about an internet forum. You can always PM someone with your real name.
A better solution is to find a way for individual users to block anyone they don't like to hear, from displaying on their screens. Sellers can block any buyers they do not want to see bid on their items on eBay, that sort of thing.
Here are a few reasons it may be a bad idea:
1) With a real name I can find out your phone number, address social security number, if you have been arrested, your credit and more. I will not tell how, though anyone that really searches the internet and has a few bucks can find out for themselves.
2) User names sometimes reflect a persons personality and adds a level of fun.
3) A lot of great advice and comments will be lost if real names have to be listed because people tend to speak up less if they have to use the real name. This maybe a pro for you.
4) People do not necessarily want their neighbors or people they do not know well or at all knowing they have 80,000.00 worth of tools in their garage(I don't just an example). People assume anyone with Festools have money, though I am always broke.
5)Using real names makes it way to easy for scammers to target "FOG" users.
6)"FOG" forum my not grow as big as it could because people just do not trust the internet and using real names will turn away many from joining.
7) Many people may not make "constructive criticism" or correct mistakes for fear of retribution because some one takes it the wrong way. I like to hear people make an ass out of themselves. I have thick skin. This may be a pro for you.
Why make it even simpler for the undesirables to track you down. Once on the net always on the net.
These and many and many more reasons are why auction sites like eBay do not make you use real names and even recommend against it.
nickao
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