Inca V Hammer

[MichaelW2014]

Inca Jointer Thicknesser Combo V Hammer A26, jointer thicknesser.

I wonder, which one would be more precise? Also, the inca, at it's most powerful is only 2 horse power. The smallest of the Hammer jointer planer combo machines is 2.6 horses. Is so much power necessary?

Also, my festool trim saw, CT70, is 2+ horses and i feel it is slightly underpowered. Do table saws require more horse power than planers and jointers--and why?

 

[Renovatedspaces]

Although, I don't know much about these exact machines I'll chime in. There are different HP ratings for electric motors.  Most often portable tools are rated in "peak" HP and stationary power tools are rated in "continuous" HP. Your trim saw's motor rating of 2+ HP is most definitely rated as peak HP. Essentially for that motor to develop 2 HP ( 1492 watts) it will most likely smoke out and seize. The other machines, with a continuous rating, can develop that 2 Or 2.6 HP on a continuous basis without stopping or going up in smoke.  It is a bit misleading to the consumer. Just take a look at the cs70 motor and then look at a 2+HP motor on a stationary machine such as a cabinet table saw or drill press and you'll see the obvious difference. To know if those machines you are looking at are powerful enough all depends on how much material will be removed at once with them. However, I can't see either of those companies  putting an underpowered motor on their machines. Checking out reviews for the specific models will tell you more.

 

[MichaelW2014]

great. you taught me some things about hp. thank you.

 

[cliffp]

I have the A26 and think it is excellent. I wouldn't want to have a machine with less power. If I were buying again, I would definitely buy another Hammer, possibly an A31 and almost certainly with the silent power cutters - these upgrades are nothing to do with deficiencies in the standard A26, it is more a case that it is SO good, I would be happy to invest even more money in a machine that has transformed my woodworking.

 

[MichaelW2014]

I have the A26 and think it is excellent. I wouldn't want to have a machine with less power. If I were buying again, I would definitely buy another Hammer, possibly an A31 and almost certainly with the silent power cutters - these upgrades are nothing to do with deficiencies in the standard A26, it is more a case that it is SO good, I would be happy to invest even more money in a machine that has transformed my woodworking.

what are silent power cutters? you mean the cutting of the machine is quiet? is that a feature on the a31?

 

[MichaelW2014]

what kind of stuff do you make? i want to make precision wood frames and joinery for wood frame lights. this kind of thing. very precise, but not huge objects. but i guess i would start with a normal large piece of wood and work it down into small parts.

 

[cliffp]

There is loads of info about silent power cutterblocks on the internet (just google "hammer silent power").
Here is one link:

http://www.ukhammer.co.uk/gb-en/video/silent-power%C2%AE--comparison-spiral-knife-cutterblock--hammer-planing-machines.html

These cutterblocks are more expensive but last longer and are quieter (these machines are very noisy). Many users say they are more cost effective than conventional knives and most people who chose them sing their praises.

I make relatively small items (coffee tables, AV units, sideboards, chest of drawers). The A26 has been big enough up until now but I have got close to its limits with some pieces of timber. One advantage of the larger machines is the longer bed length which lessens the need for table extensions.

If you can't envisage the need for more than 26cm, the A26 would probably be fine.

 

[SittingElf]

I have the A26 and think it is excellent. I wouldn't want to have a machine with less power. If I were buying again, I would definitely buy another Hammer, possibly an A31 and almost certainly with the silent power cutters - these upgrades are nothing to do with deficiencies in the standard A26, it is more a case that it is SO good, I would be happy to invest even more money in a machine that has transformed my woodworking.

what are silent power cutters? you mean the cutting of the machine is quiet? is that a feature on the a31?

This is what the Silent Partner head looks like. Each cutter square has four sides, and if you get a nick or it loses sharpness, you just rotate the blade 90degrees for a fresh edge. Four for One!  Cheaper in the long run!.... and a heck of a lot quieter than classic blades. Oh...and incredible finish, almost to the equivalent of 120 grit right off the machine! [tongue]

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I own the 16" A3-41. Awesome machine and wouldn't trade it for the world!

Cheers,
Frank

 

[MichaelW2014]

oh shit, that sounds nice. i want that feature too. and the blades are easy to change.
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(my festool ct70 is incredibly loud.)

There is loads of info about silent power cutterblocks on the internet (just google "hammer silent power").
Here is one link:

http://www.ukhammer.co.uk/gb-en/video/silent-power%C2%AE--comparison-spiral-knife-cutterblock--hammer-planing-machines.html

These cutterblocks are more expensive but last longer and are quieter (these machines are very noisy). Many users say they are more cost effective than conventional knives and most people who chose them sing their praises.

I make relatively small items (coffee tables, AV units, sideboards, chest of drawers). The A26 has been big enough up until now but I have got close to its limits with some pieces of timber. One advantage of the larger machines is the longer bed length which lessens the need for table extensions.

If you can't envisage the need for more than 26cm, the A26 would probably be fine.

 

[MichaelW2014]

wow, very nice. i want this. i think i will have it.
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I have the A26 and think it is excellent. I wouldn't want to have a machine with less power. If I were buying again, I would definitely buy another Hammer, possibly an A31 and almost certainly with the silent power cutters - these upgrades are nothing to do with deficiencies in the standard A26, it is more a case that it is SO good, I would be happy to invest even more money in a machine that has transformed my woodworking.

what are silent power cutters? you mean the cutting of the machine is quiet? is that a feature on the a31?

This is what the Silent Partner head looks like. Each cutter square has four sides, and if you get a nick or it loses sharpness, you just rotate the blade 90degrees for a fresh edge. Four for One!  Cheaper in the long run!.... and a heck of a lot quieter than classic blades. Oh...and incredible finish, almost to the equivalent of 120 grit right off the machine! [tongue]

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I own the 16" A3-41. Awesome machine and wouldn't trade it for the world!

Cheers,
Frank

 

[MichaelW2014]

so what can you hammer owners say regarding the accuracy? are we talking about accuracy within 1 mm or half a millimeter, when thicknessing and jointing? is an A41 as exact as an A26? any ideas on this?

 

[MichaelW2014]

also, what is the cost of getting the silent power cutter instead of the tersa blades? thanks for all the info

 

[cliffp]

Accuracy is probably better than 0.1mm. For the cost of the silent power you would need to ask your distributor. There are always deals to be done but my Hammer rep is a tough negotiator! Good luck.

 

[rst]

I just received a quote on an A41 and the Silent Power option was $900.00 which is in line with what Byrd and other manufacturers charge but then you have to install the head.

 

[MichaelW2014]

thanks guys. the accuracy sounds great and for 900 it seems like a worthwhile upgrade. i love it.