Jobsite tool: Sysport-like Hand Truck/Dolly

[Realist]

Access to job sites, at the finish carpentry stage is inconsistent.  Sometimes no paved walkway or even front exterior stairs.

If the finish carpenter wants to break-down possibly $6,000 worth of Festools from his workstation, at the end of each day, then the Sysport is not the device to do that.

Festool needs a job-site appropriate Sysport that operates like a hand-truck.  This cart should have large diameter pneumatic rear wheels for bouncing up steps, through dirt and such. 

Also, the stacking of systainers should, of course, be modular, to allow orientation both horizontally across the back of the handtruck setup, then vertically when in the dolly mode.

 

[Wood_Junkie]

Liiike... this?

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http://www.systainerworld.com/Tanos_Folding_Trolley_TRAPO_vario_up_to_110_lb_p/108-008.htm

Or sounds like this:  http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/special-edition-fog-systainers/msg94607/#msg94607

Brice was going to Sketchup something.  But he's probably doing real work. 

 

[harry_]

Access to job sites, at the finish carpentry stage is inconsistent.  Sometimes no paved walkway or even front exterior stairs.

If the finish carpenter wants to break-down possibly $6,000 worth of Festools from his workstation, at the end of each day, then the Sysport is not the device to do that.

Festool needs a job-site appropriate Sysport that operates like a hand-truck.  This cart should have large diameter pneumatic rear wheels for bouncing up steps, through dirt and such.  

Also, the stacking of systainers should, of course, be modular, to allow orientation both horizontally across the back of the handtruck setup, then vertically when in the dolly mode.

Maybe this or this with a few modifications [scratch chin]

edit: added 2nd link

 

[Realist]

Thanks, Wood Junkie, but no, not exactly like that.  Your linked example does not have lime green, say "Festool" nor cost $900.

 

[Holzhacker]

I've thought about that folding trolley a long time. Emailed/PM'ed whatever it was sysworld twice with questions and got no response. Met someone at the Lebanon training class who had one and said he wasn't impressed with it and doesn't use it much.
If it is good and sturdy it would be great, for the price though I'm not willing to take the gamble.

 

[Wood_Junkie]

Thanks, Wood Junkie, but no, not exactly like that.  Your linked example does not have lime green, say "Festool" nor cost $900.

Hahhaa!  True true.

Here's a very poor collage of this.  (note this is a member's website that I took this picture from; not my own.  I don't recall member's name)
http://www.mv.com/users/besposito/woodworking/diysysport/

Basically, incorporate a hand truck frame into the homemade sysport carcasse.
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And now I've had an additional idea related to this.  Mount the hand truck slightly off ground-level when upright, and you've got all the work-site movability of the Sysport (e.g. spins, move it over slightly, roll it to the next room).  But when you tilt it back using the hand truck, you can go over rough terrain and up/down stairs.

Realist, if you like I can splash some Festool green on there and charge you $900.  But it won't be nearly as well made or slick as Festool products.  How about $750... Made in the USA!    [wink]

 

[joiner1970]

I saw the Tanos trolley here about a year ago its amazing how well engineered it is, it folds up into a very small size but its not very sturdy I would think it would break very easily. I went for the wolfcraft trolley for about a third of the price and alot more sturdy I got it because I was fed up with trying to move tall kitchen units. I just need to get around to building a base to put on it sold systainers can be clipped on to it.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0001GRVJQ/ref=asc_df_B0001GRVJQ677237?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B0001GRVJQ

 

[Sean7a]

I've thought about that folding trolley a long time. Emailed/PM'ed whatever it was sysworld twice with questions and got no response. Met someone at the Lebanon training class who had one and said he wasn't impressed with it and doesn't use it much.
If it is good and sturdy it would be great, for the price though I'm not willing to take the gamble.

Holzhacker, that's me.  Never got your PM's or emails.  Possibly my spam filter?  If so, I apologize.  Just saw this thread this morning and wanted to chime in.

The trolley is a wonderful tool and like someone mentioned, supremely engineered.  It is NOT a jobsite hand truck though.  I do agree, one would fill a nice void.  I don't think we'll necessarily see one in the future, or at least immediate future from Tanos or Fes.  We're getting close to products being made purely for the American market, but I still think we're still small fry over here, and we get trickle down produce form Europe if you know what I mean.  The way they work over there can be different in so many ways, ways where a sturdier heavier duty cart is not called for in most applications.

That being said, the trolley is rather impressive.  Super lightweight, folds up to almost nothing and can be broken down or set up in seconds.  The Tanos rep for really the entire Western Hemisphere, Franck, travels with two sys III's and a folding trolley.  Throws everything in carry on.  It's pretty friggin great.

By the way, check out one of the other Festool forums this AM.  Interesting thread over there re: Tanos

 

[Holzhacker]

Thanks for the response Sean. Sounds like it probably isn't a good product for me. Sturdy is necessary. I use old fashioned airport luggage carts right now. The little black folding ones. They hold up fairly decent but aren't great. Got a bunch at a yard sale. I stack 3-5 Sys on each one usually.
I realize the US market is small fry and will likely remain so.  Working in the suburbs isn't with Festools hasn't been a big issue. As an urban contractor the Festools usually stay home and I use the 'lesser' tools. Tools walking away in the City is a continuing problem. 

 

[Sean7a]

Thanks for the response Sean. Sounds like it probably isn't a good product for me. Sturdy is necessary. I use old fashioned airport luggage carts right now. The little black folding ones. They hold up fairly decent but aren't great. Got a bunch at a yard sale. I stack 3-5 Sys on each one usually.
I realize the US market is small fry and will likely remain so.  Working in the suburbs isn't with Festools hasn't been a big issue. As an urban contractor the Festools usually stay home and I use the 'lesser' tools. Tools walking away in the City is a continuing problem. 

  The US market isn't as "small fry" as you and some others may think and TTS has their eyes on it.  I think we'll all benefit and see some great things from Festool, Tanos, etc. HERE in the US over the next few years.  There are a few winners in the pipeline already with some more very exciting ideas already in the works.

Don't get me wrong about the cart, it certainly is sturdy.  It's just certainly not suburban / roughed out / rocky jobsite capable in most cases.  It can handle every other task no problem.

 

[AlexThePalex]

That being said, the trolley is rather impressive.  Super lightweight, folds up to almost nothing and can be broken down or set up in seconds.  The Tanos rep for really the entire Western Hemisphere, Franck, travels with two sys III's and a folding trolley.  Throws everything in carry on.  It's pretty friggin great.

I hate to disagree with you but I must. I find the trolley very unimpressive. I've seen this trolley in the -tool- store and it sure is light weight. It way TOO light weight to be of any use to the people for whom the systainers were developed, namely people who work with tools. It is only rated for 50 kg, which is nothing. I often haul around more than that with my cart. The Tanos cart also looks like it will brake in two when you make the slightest mistake.

I use a RuXXac Business XL cart. It is an excellent cart to haul around all systainers and other tools you need. It is rated at 125 Kg and very sturdy, at least as much as you can expect from a folding cart made out of aluminium and weighing only 5,5 Kg.

I can easily take a sys 14 combination with me, and also my CT22 or Mini. All sytainers filled to the brim with heavy tools. I don't understand why Tanos would only make that flimsy cart of theirs and not something really useful.

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[Brice Burrell]

Very nice setup Alex.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Tools in the living room, that is the kind of living I like.

 

[bionicus]

A nearly identical cart to the one shown by Alex can be had at Lee Valley -- Folding Hand Truck. I happily owned one for about 12 hours before some D-bag swiped it from my truck.

 

[tbellemare]

Alex:

I suspect that Tanos made that cart more for other users than tool users. They apparently sell to many markets other than tool users and perhaps those loads aren't typically so heavy?

Tom

 

[Sean7a]

Alex:

I suspect that Tanos made that cart more for other users than tool users. They apparently sell to many markets other than tool users and perhaps those loads aren't typically so heavy?

Tom

Alex, I'm hitting the hay, but logged in to respond and Tom seems to have beat me to the punch.  You have to remember, making systainers for Festool use is not Tanos' main target.  The trolley is nice, but certainly was not engineered from the ground up with you, me, us, contractors, woodworkers as it's main focus.  I have to disagree with you when I say it is a pretty marvelous piece of equipment, super simple, super light (like a systainer) and gets most jobs done.  But, it is not meant for all.

 

[jmbfestool]

Liiike... this?

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http://www.systainerworld.com/Tanos_Folding_Trolley_TRAPO_vario_up_to_110_lb_p/108-008.htm

Or sounds like this:  http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/special-edition-fog-systainers/msg94607/#msg94607

Brice was going to Sketchup something.  But he's probably doing real work. 

I own one of those Tanos trolleys. Very Compact but it folds out on its own when you pick it up you know what I mean it doesnt click into place when folded up. 

Also the wheels are very hard and they feel every little pump and crack stone n cable even makes it go crazy so its no good for inside building because you have cables laying around and it makes it wobble. Its rubbish for pulling up stairs you feel like it might break if you have heavy Systainers on it.

Also if you have some heavy systainers on it you need to pull the boxes as well as the trolley to tilt it because it bends otherwise. Their is no side supports at the top so your boxes easily try and fall over when one wheel hits a little stone.

So you have to strap it very well.  I have used it once from my garage to my van to test it which is a smooth ground when I first bought it. I then tried it on site and it was to much hassle getting it on trolley then strapping it then trying to get over the site ground which is always like a obstacle course with that thing.

No worth it at all and alot of money.

 

[bobbobbob]

For those of us in the States, I did some poking around based on Alex's pics and found this in the US (and for only $75):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q8VSL0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=c3a8a96e-d49b-4783-bbfb-ab92b1398f59&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000078ONL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0WH1TD953505G3N3TACY

 

[Brice Burrell]

For those of us in the States, I did some poking around based on Alex's pics and found this in the US (and for only $75):

With Shipping it's $91.14 USD. BTW, nice find. [thumbs up]

 

[bobbobbob]

plus here's a very sales-pitchy vid showing how it works:

RuXXac Business XL Folding Hand Truck Trolley