JUNE 2008: ETS 150/5 or 150/3 Sander

[Frank Pellow]

Thanks Jonny, I very mush agree that we need a definition.  And, your proposed definition looks good to me.

 

[poto]

At 5'6" and 132 lbs, I'm pretty small scale. Does that count? 

WOW, that's small. I'm 6'3", and 230 lbs., so I guess I'm out.

Wow - from your picture you don't look bigger than about 1.5 cm... I think that qualifies as small scale!

 

[Warrior]

I think it is up to Matthew to formally define what he means by "small scale", but I think it should be a 5 drawer chest size and down. I think the average five drawer chest is around 1m wide x 1.25m tall by .5m deep.

Eiji

 

[Warrior]

Maybe I erred on the large size.

 

[robtonya]

At 5'6" and 132 lbs, I'm pretty small scale. Does that count? 

WOW, that's small. I'm 6'3", and 230 lbs., so I guess I'm out.

Wow - from your picture you don't look bigger than about 1.5 cm... I think that qualifies as small scale!

Thanks , I'm still in then!

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Good Morning,
I hadn't thought of small-scale as a reference to the woodworker, but perhaps we have a new way to do contest categories in the future!

Of course, there will be some debate about what "small-scale" means.  Since we have five judges, we can develop a list of candidate projects and put it out there, and members can also suggest the ones they see as fitting into this category.  Remember, part of the idea behind this contest is a discussion about what we see in various projects, so it's fine if we have a period of debate.  Also, because there are no deadlines, if someone's project is not entered this month, it will always have another chance later.

I'm going to go through the projects board and make up my list of qualifying entries for this month.  Then people can jump in and comment.  The other judges, or anyone else, can also create a list!

Matthew

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Good Morning,
OK, I pulled together a list of projects that seem to me to fit the definition of "small-scale."  Please feel free to add to the list, or agree or disagree with the choices.

This list is not an endorsement of any particular project.  It's just a way to get us going:
Frank Pellow's Biplane Shelves
poto's Footstool
Bill Wyko's Slide Lock
Bill Wyko's Humidor
woodgeek's Water Stand
CharlesWilson's Writing Desk
Bill Wyko's lil box
Bill Wyko's Monsoon
neilc's Bi-plane Bookends
mot's Rocking Horse
Tim Sproul's Walnut Picture Frames
munchcolo's Arts and Crafts Fern Stand
Mike Chrest's Louver Ceiling
Gary Nichols's Fixed-Louvers
Dan Lyke's Rocking Horse
Dan Lyke's Cord Organizer

Matthew

 

[Warrior]

I agree that they are all on the small side with the exception of Mike's louvered ceiling. It would seem to me that it should be considered a medium scale project considering it is 3-4 times larger than the next largest size in the list. With that project included on the list it seems to perpetuate the confusion on the definition of "small scale."

I think we need to quantify how large it can be at the largest.

Eiji

 

[Matthew Schenker]

I agree that they are all on the small side with the exception of Mike's louvered ceiling. It would seem to me that it should be considered a medium scale project considering it is 3-4 times larger than the next largest size in the list. With that project included on the list it seems to perpetuate the confusion on the definition of "small scale."

I think we need to quantify how large it can be at the largest.

Rather than quantifying a size, maybe it would be easier for people to use my list as a starting point, and add or remove projects over the next few days?  Then we'll have a complete list of candidates for this month.  As new projects get posted to the "Projects" boards, we can determine whether they are added or not.

Seems right now, my list works with the exception of Mike's louvered project.  If so, don't worry Mike, your project will work in another category!

Matt

 

[Tim Sproul]

small scale - a piece/project that one could expect one person to reasonably pick and move and install when assembled.

Breaking an interior built-in cabinet into 20 pieces doesn't count.... ;D.

A china cabinet doesn't count as small scale.

Furniture scale - 2 - 3 people.

Architectural/large scale - interior/exterior trim work, built-ins, etc.

 

[Brice Burrell]

  Matthew, I agree with Eiji, your list is a great start with the exception Mike's project (sorry buddy). Here's one that is a question mark to me, what do you guys think about Poto's stand up desk, so it fit into the "small-scale" category?

 

[Matthew Schenker]

  Matthew, I agree with Eiji, your list is a great start with the exception Mike's project (sorry buddy). Here's one that is a question mark to me, what do you guys think about Poto's stand up desk, so it fit into the "small-scale" category?

OK, I don't mind if Mike's louver project has to wait until another month (you'll be in it again, Mike, don't worry).  And I agree on Poto's stand up desk.

So, here's the list I have of entries so far, rearranged a little more by member name for ease of reference:
Frank Pellow's Biplane Shelves

poto's Footstool
poto's stand up desk

Bill Wyko's Slide Lock
Bill Wyko's Humidor
Bill Wyko's lil box
Bill Wyko's Monsoon

Dan Lyke's Rocking Horse
Dan Lyke's Cord Organizer

woodgeek's Water Stand
CharlesWilson's Writing Desk
neilc's Bi-plane Bookends
mot's Rocking Horse
Tim Sproul's Walnut Picture Frames
munchcolo's Arts and Crafts Fern Stand
Gary Nichols's Fixed-Louvers

Matthew

 

[richwoods]

[attachthumb=#]  Just registered--- How do I enter contest?

 

[Daviddubya]

Just registered--- How do I enter contest?

richwoods - Read the first post in this thread to learn how to enter the tool contests:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=3307.0

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Matthew,
  I just checked this thread. Thanks for the thought but the ceiling is 16' x 16' x 1' thick!!! That's really a stretch to call it "small scale" ;D I'll be happy to wait for future contests.
Mike

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Matthew,
  I just checked this thread. Thanks for the thought but the ceiling is 16' x 16' x 1' thick!!! That's really a stretch to call it "small scale" ;D I'll be happy to wait for future contests.

Yes, it's been moved off my list!  But it can easily be on a new list.
By the way, what are people's thoughts on the entires I listed above?  Or do you want to leave it all up to the judges?
Matthew

 

[Mike_Chrest]

  I'm glad I'm not a judge. You guys have a tough selection. Lots of nice stuff on that board. If I had to pick I would go with Woodgeek's Water Stand just because of the way it strikes my eye. Bill's Humidor & Monsoon are really well done and more techincally involved but I like my furniture (& ladies) to have curves ;D.

  Gary should get a "techniques" prize for the idea of using the Domino for shutters, brilliant.

  Writing desks are nice too.

  Too many choices. Akkkk. Happy judging.

 

[robtonya]

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not judging this. Way too many great projects in this one.

 

[dirtydeeds]

im not a judge and am not american, so have no reason to think that i can influence anything

however i would like to say something on a small part of bill wykos stuff

the most difficult and dangerous thing to do with power tools is machining small bits of timber

bill's jig to hold segments so he can domino them safely and accuratly is brilliant off the wall thinking

in my view, its the little things, the tricks and temporary works that make a project possible

however small or large the project is

 

[Bill Wyko]

Thanks very much DD, and everyone else here. My origonal reason for buying the Domino was to do that trick and The vessel sold for enough to pay for the Domino plus the accessories. If anyone ever doubts that the Domino is a great investment I'll be happy to discuss the value for the dollar. ;D I don't think I've ever bought a tool besides a tablesaw that had such a quick return. Plus it's just the coolest tool ever anyway.  ;D
There's a lot of talent here and a lot of it is due to the quality and creativity of these tools. My hats off to the Festool folks and those of you that use them to the next level.