Just one more Word

[Bob Swenson]

Matthew - A lot of us are Watching and waiting

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Yes, we are watching and waiting because the success of this forum is the product
of the contributions of it's talented members and not your tinkering.
I have been reluctant to get involved in this discussion until that newbie
questioned my curiosity. It is curious that you were threatened  with 
with a copyright law suit but not that other forum. You say that you
are on good terms with Festool but with the exception of the tool of the month
I see no other evidence of any good will. Wouldn't it be prudent to step back
and stop messing with the forum. The title "Meddling Matthew" does not become you.
Your lavender name is all over the place, back off and all this will go away.
It ain't broke yet so don't try to fix it, don't even tweak it.

Bob

And you, of little posts, newbies,  try cutting wood if you can,  perhaps you can
make a contribution with something other than your mouths.   

 

[Brent]

Bob

And you, of little posts, newbies,  try cutting wood if you can,  perhaps you can
make a contribution with something other than your mouths.   

Hi Bob,

From reading your posts I see that you're a straight forward guy and a good woodworker. Given these traits I'm kinda perplexed by your insult above. Up until now I didn't realize that a persons woodworking skills were in direct correlation to how many posts they've made on this or any other forum.....ya learn something new every day I guess. Just curious....once I pass 145 posts does that make me a better woodworker than you....or does it mean that I have the right to participate here? By the way....I can cut wood...I can also cut through Bullshit.

 

[Bob Swenson]

Brent,
I don't appreciate some one coming out of the wood work and attacking
me because I  wrote that it would be funny if the other forum was owned by Festool.
there is a deference between posters who come on this forum and insult people, and the
ones who talk about tools or their projects, whether it's post one or one hundred, they are the people
who have made this forum great.
I am curious about where people like that come from and what  their agenda is.
I said what I said because  their insults are not contributing to anything.
If you think this is bull shit than so be it.   

 

[Tinker]

Come on guys!  End it!

We can all have our thoughts and differences, and still be friends.

Some of my very best and dearest friends are even liberal democrats.  We still drink the same brands of beer and go to the same booths to cast our votes.

I'm on a town commission made up of both democrats and republicans.  we have, at times, disagreed, but nobody makes it personal or wants to quit doing the job we volunteered for.

My arborist (tree worker) believes 180? from what i believe and we get into some pretty rediculous hot arguements, even while he is up in a tree.  He never drops a limb or pees on my head, and i never feel the urge to cut his rope. 

i just dragged a pile of brush from a pile he made, ripped my hand (minor) and right now having trouble keeping blood off my keyboard.  Do I blame him for cutting more or less wood than i?  No way.

Bob, i like your humor.  you have enjoyed mine.  I have never counted the notes, one way or another.  Same with any of my other friends.  Let's not keep score.  that never improves relationships in either direction.

I'm ordinarilly somewhat of a hot head (in real life), but i see no reason to carry this point on any further. If i can cut this fight, anybody can.
let's all just  : : : : : : : : : : : : : : ;D
Tinker

 

[Brent]

Hi Bob,

I didn't feel he attacked you with that post, but that's for you to decide, not me. I just took exception to your grouping everyone with a few posts together (notice I have just a few posts here!!). My response was directed towards that one statement.

You're right, insults don't contribute anything even remotely worthwhile to a forum. You took (or I expressed myself) my bullshit statement wrong. I wasn't referring to your post, but rather to what's been happening here lately. I haven't posted much, but I've been a member for a while and watching the BS that's been going on is getting tiring. Everone that leaves seems to think that a grandiose parting statement is in order and the Admin feels a need to repeat himself over and over...neither is necessary!!! I think every one here has the picture by now, whatever that picture is to each individual, I'm just saying it's time for all parties to stop before someone gets poked in the eye with a stick  .

So Bob, if the way I phrased my post insulted you, you have my apologies. 

 

[Brent]

Tinker,

I don't know what to tell ya.......you have liberal Democrats as friends.... my condolences buddy LOL.

( DISCLAIMER...in case anyone is getting upset....this was just a joke  ;D )

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Yes, we are watching and waiting because the success of this forum is the product
of the contributions of it's talented members and not your tinkering.

Actually, it's a combination of both.  Certainly, a forum cannot succeed without contributions from members.  But a forum like this one cannot exist without the tremendous administrative support that goes into it.  Every feature you see in this forum is the result of planning, thought, implementation, and technical support.

It is curious that you were threatened  with 
with a copyright law suit but not that other forum.

It was trademark, not copyright.  I was not "threatened with a lawsuit."  An explanation of the trademark issue can be found in the joint statement written by Christian Oltzscher and me (click here).

Regarding why Festool was interested in the FestoolOwnersGroup domain but not "that other forum" (by which I assume you mean TalkFestool), you will have to write to Festool about it.  I'm not going to speculate. 

You say that you are on good terms with Festool but with the exception of the tool of the month
I see no other evidence of any good will.

Is there a reason you are suddenly calling into question the honest statements I have made on this subject?

Wouldn't it be prudent to step back and stop messing with the forum. The title "Meddling Matthew" does not become you.
Your lavender name is all over the place, back off and all this will go away.
It ain't broke yet so don't try to fix it, don't even tweak it.

I'd be thrilled to step back and let the forum get back to the purpose I always envisioned for it.  We've had some disruptive members recently.  As the forum administrator, it's my job to step in at times like this.  It's not meddling, it's management.  If members all post about woodworking and projects and helping each other, I would happily step back.

And you, of little posts, newbies,  try cutting wood if you can,  perhaps you can
make a contribution with something other than your mouths.

I've said many times, everyone has the same value here regardless of the number of posts.  We don't judge people by how many posts they contribute, but rather by how much value they contribute.

Matthew

 

[Bob Swenson]

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[Len Coleman]

Perspective from a "non poster"

I have been a member since the yahoo days. 

I have a full time job.
I am nearing retirement and don't care for golf.
I cut wood when when I have some spare time.
I would like to get better at this craft.....(need to cut more wood)
I don't post as I am a newbie at this and simply cannot add a lot to those of you with a lifetime of experience.
Hopefully this this does not devalue me in either Bobs or Matthews eyes.
I DO learn a lot from everyone here.  ( or did before all of this BS started.)

I suspect there are a lot of people that are like myself,  hobbyists who want to to get better.

It is distressing to see this happening to a group that has been working togther for a number a years.

Bottom line is that everyone here is interested in woodworking and Festools in general. I  would suggest everyone step back and take a deep breath.  Grab a beer.  I think a neutral arbritrator may be called for.  I don't like seeing this site the way it is.

Len

 

[Ron Dunn]

Was that the door slamming?

 

[Len Coleman]

Nope, hopefully it was  a  door opening.

 

[Bob Marino]

Nope, hopefully it was  a  door opening.

Len,

Very good!

Bob

 

[Bob Swenson]

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[peter halle]

If I remember the words mentioned in the past included hiatis, and sabbatical.  That would lead me to believe that absences might not be permanent.  When I read Bob Swenson's post I wondered if it was me that was the root cause of all this.  I don't think so, but if I was, I offer my apologizes to Bob and everyone.  I also am a relative newbie and have been posting probably too much in the hopes that this situation is just an irrtating pimple - not something worse.  I truly hope so.

Peter

 

[Bob Swenson]

We all do Peter, we all do

 

[Neill]

Perspective from a "non poster"

I have been a member since the yahoo days. 

I have a full time job.
I am nearing retirement and don't care for golf.
I cut wood when when I have some spare time.
I would like to get better at this craft.....(need to cut more wood)
I don't post as I am a newbie at this and simply cannot add a lot to those of you with a lifetime of experience.
Hopefully this this does not devalue me in either Bobs or Matthews eyes.
I DO learn a lot from everyone here.  ( or did before all of this BS started.)

I suspect there are a lot of people that are like myself,  hobbyists who want to to get better.

It is distressing to see this happening to a group that has been working togther for a number a years.

Bottom line is that everyone here is interested in woodworking and Festools in general. I  would suggest everyone step back and take a deep breath.   Grab a beer.  I think a neutral arbritrator may be called for.  I don't like seeing this site the way it is.

Len

Len,

On behalf of myself and I am sure many of the other posters here, beautifully said!

Neill

 

[peter halle]

Bob,

Your latest reponse I took to be genuine.  That was a classy thing to do.  If there is a way that I can possibly help all I would love to.

Peter

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Everyone,
If you don't like discussions like this, and I assume none of us do, the best way to avoid them is...Don't start one.
Matthew

 

[Bill Wyko]

Is anyone here an SMC member? I'm just curious because they don't tolerate any BS what so ever. I don't see any problems like this and the site is enormous. Your post can be 3 pages back in 10 minutes though. Why has keeping the peace here been so heated. It's just the right thing to do. This post itself would most likely be deleted on SMC. It's what it takes for a site to grow. Some may see this as shrinkage, I totally disagree. This is the beginning of a site that will not tolerate bashing. I think you'll all find over time that this what's best in order to grow. Just the fact that these issues arose proves that it was time to put the brakes on. I think everyone will agree, everyones opinion has it's value but it must be presented with the utmost respect.This goes for anyone who has posted once or 1000 times or if you have 1 day of woodworking experience or 100 years. Respect is respect. I have thousands of posts on SMC and I plan on having 1000s here too. Come to the realization that the bashing will no longer be tollerated and deal with it. So if you all don't  mind, can get back to wood working please?  ;D

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Bill,
Thanks for the post!  Makes sense, of course!

Like your skill at crafting humidors, you are very good at crafting the right message!

Thanks again,
Matthew