I just want to chime in here as when I feel a festool is not up to snuff I have been ready to be critical. But this crap is rididuculous. If the unchased parts of the casting have no affect on performance and are not a safety hazard ie like could scrap your skin or whatever please.stop complaining. Use the tool to cut.... Stop looking at it and patting yourself on the back. I get in the states many of the festoolians are tool collectors. Well enjoy the tools but they are made for profesionals. Sorry If I sound rude but this type of carping is ridiculous. Lets push festool to improve the sacrificial strip on the guide rails and the connectors. Lets push them to make a 18 volt line including an impact. Lets get an update to the kapex = 12" please and a copy of the mafel jigsaw. The fein supercut copy with cool attachments is great as I worked it over for the first time today. By the way its good. Lets push this company in the right way no festool blind koolaid and stupid crap about how the tools are not pretty. Focus on making pretty work. Peace out.
Kapex Base Casting
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FinishingCanuck
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You definetly got a point. Although it does bother me, I'd much rather see a 12" kapex, better splinter guard and a ct midi in Canada
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Couldn't agree more there are more important things that need addressing how about the bevel adjustment on the TS55REQ or the angle base on the carvex etc,etc,etc.
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We should start a new thread "things more important then kapex base casting" lol
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I had a thought(i know, i won't let it happen to often), let's ask Festool to offer 2 lines of their products( or just 2nds ). One line can be done to a higher fit & finish, & the other for the one that use their products day in & day out ( the 2nds line for working persons). That way everyone can get what they want, cheaper less lovely units for those that will be messing them up. Finer units for those who want their's to be at a more elegant level. That way maybe (more likely not) everyone would be happy this new year, and this type of thread can be put to rest.( or out to pasture [big grin])
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People who buy the saw for hobby are more critical how the saw looks like.
When I sell my used tools, it often happens people do not buy them because there is a scratch on the tool,,
they do not even try the tool if its works fine, they do not want it because of some scratches [eek]
When I sell my used tools, it often happens people do not buy them because there is a scratch on the tool,,
they do not even try the tool if its works fine, they do not want it because of some scratches [eek]
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I don't agree that this is a 'hobbyiest' vs. 'commercial' user discussion.
I believe that it is entirely possible for a machine to look nice AND work well. I'm kind of crossing posts here, but as one of the original Apple users I have 30+ years of expecting products to be 'elegant' in both their appearance and function.
I want to challenge Festool to work harder to get there with the Kapex casting. I know they can do it, and I believe it can be accomplished without ANY increase in cost.
I believe that it is entirely possible for a machine to look nice AND work well. I'm kind of crossing posts here, but as one of the original Apple users I have 30+ years of expecting products to be 'elegant' in both their appearance and function.
I want to challenge Festool to work harder to get there with the Kapex casting. I know they can do it, and I believe it can be accomplished without ANY increase in cost.
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glass1 said:
You said what I have been thinking for a while. I really feel like Festool in the States is a collectable tool. I dont care how my tools look as long as it doesnt slow me down or effect function. If my ro150 falls off the ladder and gets some road rash i dont care as long as it works.
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I've been following this post closely and I am surprised at the responses. Virtually everyone of us on this forum prides ourselves on our attention to detail and strives to be in the business of supplying higher end services. If any of us charged 300 percent plus of what could be had elsewhere and didn't attend to ALL the details (functional or not) we and our Customers would not be satisfied. I have experience with castings, Aluminum and Magnesium, the trim and grind on this parting line and gates is well below standard and although it's impossible to tell without measuring it, probably doesn't meet NADCA minimum specifications. Yes it is non-functional, no it does not pose a safety hazard to the user but most assuredly it is poor attention to detail and makes one question how much care was put into the rest of the tool. There was a comment about the backside of drywall etc, nobody cares about the backside of the drywall since they don't see it however, they also don't see the wiring and plumbing but we all respect a good electrician and plumber by how neat and organised their work is. Some meet code and have wires and lines that look like crap and others spend that extra effort to run straight and perpendicular runs, why? no one will see it, it's no more functional than any other one that meets code, but they do it because they care about the details. And when you see their work you have confidence in the aspects of it that are functional and safety related. When you see the disheveled job you question the total quality. Also for those concerned about the cost - we pay in US dollars $1,400 for a tool that could be had for $500 or less so cost is a pretty weak argument, and the cost to have this ground flush should be zero as Festool Supplier Quality should be demanding that it be done, it's part of the normal process the supplier just didn't pay attention to detail when they did it in the first place.
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I think for some, it is a "it's more expensive than the rest, it better darn well be perfect in every way" feeling.
For others, it is a "it's more expensive than the rest, and it works better than the rest" feeling.
I can relate to both. I've been on both sides of each sentiment. It's the age old function versus form dichotomy, which will vary from one user to the next based on the manner in which one engages with tools.
In the end, it is just a saw. Made to cut wood, which most users seem to agree it does well.
For others, it is a "it's more expensive than the rest, and it works better than the rest" feeling.
I can relate to both. I've been on both sides of each sentiment. It's the age old function versus form dichotomy, which will vary from one user to the next based on the manner in which one engages with tools.
In the end, it is just a saw. Made to cut wood, which most users seem to agree it does well.
I agree with Cpt. Picard. [dead horse]
I pretty much think everyone is correct in this thread. There is a lot of 'point of view' involved here.
Lets not have this become anymore of a ..... Casting Good / Casting Bad, marching around with signs thread.... than it all ready is. Because before long the stones start to fly. For reference and further reading on the topic, here is another recent Kapex casting thread.
[dead horse] [dead horse] [dead horse]
How about a little Coffee Talk ................ I'll give you a topic. Rubin and Rubin 2, they are neither red nor brown. Discuss. [smile]
Seth
I pretty much think everyone is correct in this thread. There is a lot of 'point of view' involved here.
Lets not have this become anymore of a ..... Casting Good / Casting Bad, marching around with signs thread.... than it all ready is. Because before long the stones start to fly. For reference and further reading on the topic, here is another recent Kapex casting thread.
[dead horse] [dead horse] [dead horse]
How about a little Coffee Talk ................ I'll give you a topic. Rubin and Rubin 2, they are neither red nor brown. Discuss. [smile]
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Look! A green extractor!!
http://festoolownersgroup.com/general-friendly-chat/the-fog-x-factor-naina/
http://festoolownersgroup.com/general-friendly-chat/the-fog-x-factor-naina/
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Thank You, Seth. My stable has only so many nags in it. By the way I think that the brown is way to dark, it makes me feel depressed, kinda like these post. [crying]
Have a Happy(or crappy)New Year [thumbs up]
Have a Happy(or crappy)New Year [thumbs up]
I have read a few other complaints about the poor finish quality on the castings but seriously, this $1400 tool looks like the castings were made in a 9th grade shop class.
Many seem to think that it is just a tool what is the difference how the finish quality looks? $1400 for what has been proclaimed as the finish miter saw in the world, and Festool German engineering and manufacturing, you have to be kidding.
No excuses here, this poor quality finish is unacceptable on any saw, let alone one that cost 3 times what many of the competition cost.
Having owned many other Festool tools over the past 10 years, and I am shocked and disappointed that a company with the reputation of Festool would put out a product like this and just tell consumers it doesn't effect the performance of the saw, so what it looks cheap and reflects poorly on the company and the product.
Many seem to think that it is just a tool what is the difference how the finish quality looks? $1400 for what has been proclaimed as the finish miter saw in the world, and Festool German engineering and manufacturing, you have to be kidding.
No excuses here, this poor quality finish is unacceptable on any saw, let alone one that cost 3 times what many of the competition cost.
Having owned many other Festool tools over the past 10 years, and I am shocked and disappointed that a company with the reputation of Festool would put out a product like this and just tell consumers it doesn't effect the performance of the saw, so what it looks cheap and reflects poorly on the company and the product.
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PS - Topics merged to keep everything in one place regarding Kapex castings.
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