kapex july 1st

[Eli]

Yep. Me too. Trenching is fun.  ;D ;D ;D

 

[ColoradoCop]

You know what?  I don't care what Festool products cost. I like knowing I can do anything I want, when I want to do it, with the correct tool, and if I make a mistake, it's my ability I have to blame, not the tools fault.  I've wasted a lot of wood on "Cheap Tools".  but Festool products make woodworking so much easier and efficient.  If I have to cut back on other things to have a Kapex, then that's what I'll do, and I'll have the best tool of it's kind, in the world.  Just my two cents.

 

[Per Swenson]

Yup CC,

99% of the forum members would agree, I bet.

But when ya can't find fault with the tool. well, gotta moan about something.

Oh, and welcome.

Per

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I've given some more thought to my earlier inclination to wait to see what Makita and Bosch (or Hitachi, DeWalt and Milwaukee, for that matter) would release to compete with the Kapex, then base my purchasing decision on the newer generation of models. I realized that while of course the other major tool manufacturers will eventually release new miter saws, they will most likely still not be in the same league as the Kapex, in the same way that Festool seems to rise to the top in most (if not all) of the other tools they produce. So, the question then becomes: Do I spend the money now and get the best saw available, or do I wait, and buy a less expensive saw that may incorporate some of the elements the Kapex utilizes, but a saw that will still likely be less accurate, less easy to use, and have poor dust extraction? Because, I also remind myself, that Makita, Bosch, and the other major tool brands each have different markets. Bosch, Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee, Porter Cable, and Dewalt seem to market reasonably reliable tools and equipment towards middle-of-the-road professionals and serious hobbyists, whereas Festool's market is more the fine workers and the highly demanding professionals. So, if you're producing top-of-the-line furniture, cabinets and trim, do you want to wrestle with a middle-of-the-road saw, or do you want to breeze through it withe the best that's available?....... (Yes, I've definitely been drinking the Festool Kool-Aid!!!!)  :

Oh, and Welcome ColoradoCop!

 

[dltflt]

Tom you might as well get the Kapex now because that is what you will end up buying.  Once you have the Festool bug you will never go back.  I surely don't look at any other tools since I got my first Festool

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Tom,

The answer is actually easy, at least for me.  Way back when I was a young engineer, I became friends with a co-worker about 15 years older than me through a common interest in Corvettes at that time.  He was a perfectionist and it showed in excellence in whatever he did (except choosing me as a friend), whether it was designing molds for tires, choosing clothes, restoring cars, colllecting firearms, making tools, or making elderberry wine (first wine he ever tried to make).  His advice to me was: "No man was ever sorry he bought the best."  Of course, opinions vary as to what is the best, and best for one person may not be best for another.

Dave R. 

 

[Michael Kellough]

I've given some more thought to my earlier inclination to wait to see what Makita and Bosch (or Hitachi, DeWalt and Milwaukee, for that matter) would release to compete with the Kapex,.... Do I spend the money now and get the best saw available, or do I wait, and buy a less expensive saw that may incorporate some of the elements the Kapex utilizes, but a saw that will still likely be less accurate, less easy to use, and have poor dust extraction?....do you want to wrestle with a middle-of-the-road saw, or do you want to breeze through it withe the best that's available?.......

In the past I wasted a lot of free time analyzing the features and cost of different makes of tools trying to find the best bang for the buck. Inevitably I would buy the most expensive tool because I couldn't give up the extra features usually available. Now that Festool is available here I don't have to waste time anymore trying to figure out which tool is best. If Festool makes an offering in a category it is the best I'll find.

 

[Ned]

...I surely don't look at any other [power] tools since I got my first Festool

So true, so very true.

 

[porkchop]

I like Per Swensons down in the trenches style. I wish I had a super clean shop full of perfectly grained kiln dried wood and it was all festool and japanese chisels etc but life ain't all violin making is it?

I have done some things with festool that I suppose some people on this forum would find sacriligious and others would find creative. Last week for example, I put together four guides and used them to cut the top of a redwood fence. Working on site, working alone, working fast it let me attach the whole fence by setting the bottom of the boards on each side to grade and letting the tops run wild and then very quickly cutting the fence perfectly straight and level on top in sections with the saw and guides. Saved me hours over cutting and measuring each board and I didn't have to take the chop saw which is a heavy beast. Also used the guides to rip so I didn't have to bring the table saw. Used the jig saw with the long blade to crosscut all the four by fours. Moral of the story, just a few tools, no heavy lifting, job done and home by five with a beer in hand. The next day the guides were back in the shop, on the mft cutting cabinet parts.

 

[Eli]

I suppose some people on this forum would find sacriligious....

That's pretty much why I don't post many pictures!

Welcome you dirty Copper!

 

[Dave Rudy]

I don't know, what do you fellows thing?

Tom, I think you're a gonner!  You can wring your hands and talk yourself in and out of it between now and then, but smart money says you're the proud owner of a new miter saw come very shortly afte July 1! 

Misery loves company.

;D ;D

 

[ColoradoCop]

This is what happens when someone finds out a Kapex is 1300.00 and not 130.00!

(Actually, it is one of my police academy students being Tasered!)

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I don't know, what do you fellows thing?

Tom, I think you're a gonner!  You can wring your hands and talk yourself in and out of it between now and then, but smart money says you're the proud owner of a new miter saw come very shortly afte July 1! 

Misery loves company.

;D ;D

Heh-heh, yeah, I already made my decision and have pre-pre-ordered with my local Festool dealer for a Kapex. I just wanted to examine my decision for awhile to make sure, ya know?  :

Does anybody know which blade the Kapex ships with? Standard or Fine?

 

[nickao]

"If I have to cut back on other things to have a Kapex, then that's what I'll do, and I'll have the best tool of it's kind, in the world.  Just my two cents."
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How do you know its the best miter saw in the world until it is in your shop at least 6 months to a year? The festo RO 150 is said to be the best sander overall, but I have used the Fein 6" with and without the rotary(they have two versions) and they work just as well. I am told the Bosch is as good as the Fesool for almost 1/2 the price. "the best" is a personal preference.

I will buy a Kapex miter saw, but will reserve judgment until I use it on many projects. And I am sure many people will prefer a different saw that they consider "the best". How about "the most expensive" thats about all I can say until it is in MY hands.

nickao

 

[nickao]

I meant no disrespect in the previous post. Just so many people assume Festool is always "the best" for everything they make and it is not so.

 

[Markus K.]

I don't know, what do you fellows thing?

Tom, I think you're a gonner!  You can wring your hands and talk yourself in and out of it between now and then, but smart money says you're the proud owner of a new miter saw come very shortly afte July 1! 

Misery loves company.

;D ;D

Heh-heh, yeah, I already made my decision and have pre-pre-ordered with my local Festool dealer for a Kapex. I just wanted to examine my decision for awhile to make sure, ya know?  :

Does anybody know which blade the Kapex ships with? Standard or Fine?

In Germany it comes with a 60-Teeth fine Blade. I think Festool has no Reason to change the Blade.

 

[billybokay]

I am sure festool's new miter saw is not the best, I remember seeing in an earlier discussion, a miter saw that was about 4 thousand dollars. It also weighed alot.  That one was probably the best. There is a point in every technology where you will experience diminished returns.
example ...  $2000 stereo speakers can be 5 times better than $500 speakers.
but after that you might need to go to $10,000 to get 25  percent better speakers.
The law of diminishing returns applies to tools as well.

 

[Norm St.Onge]

nickao - I'm there with you. There's a certain segment that will buy the Kapex simply because of the color scheme and how it will meld with their systainer collection. Power to them and have at it. At this point, in North America, to say "I'm buying Kapex because it's the best" is simply wishfull thinking - no disrepect to anyone on this forum but how doo you justify this statement?

I have to purchase tools based on their ROI to my business. Everybody has their own criteria and I respect that.

-Norm

 

[markchamness]

Kapex is available for preorder:http://www.adepttools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=561286

 

[Steve Jones]

Speaking as a fan of Festool, I have to admit that I came home yesterday afternoon with a new miter saw - and it's yellow!

I'm sure that the Festool is up to the standard set by all their other products, it's probably even good value for money. Just not for MY money.

I'm bringing this up here to point out that even someone (such as myself) who appreciates the value Festool offers - can sometimes reach a  point where the investment is simply not justifyable.

I'll go for a saw that's 4 times the price of the next best thing (the TS55) - but the Kapex is 8 times the price of the little Dewalt I just brought - that leaves me over $1100.00 for other tools (possibly some of them Festools).