Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.

Ah, thanks

Here is an article about what I was mentioning Link

And for a bit of history on how these ridiculous "high end gas stoves" got going, I found a history on Viking.  Interesting how it was basically designers/magazines wanting the look that made it happen, the existing manufactures were not interested.  Again, those stoves are kitchen fashion items.

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That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.
 
DeformedTree said:
That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.
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I would expect they are all hard to find right now due to COVID, but Monogram, Thermador, Wolf, etc. were all in roughly that price range for a 48" dual fuel range when we looked 4 years ago.
 
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]

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GoingMyWay said:
A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?
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A 36" induction top is generally requiring 240V/50-60A feed.  So it's nice if you are close to your electric panel.  Not that it's really any different than any electric stove.  If the builder had any forward mind and ran electrical to everything along with gas, you would probably be ok. I think a lot of tops can also run on 40A breakers, they generally assume no one has all elements at full power at once.
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You can usually limit total power in the systems menu of the cooktop.

DeformedTree said:
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
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Lol. I always wonder who listens to those people. But once in a while I meet someone who does and then I'm reminded a huge share of people don't think rationally  [tongue]
 
Coen said:
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]
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That's my view on hot tubs/jacuzzis.  When we were looking at homes (and even now when I still look around), any time I saw a listing with a hot tub picture, I knew that I needed to look at the seller disclosure to see if it was included with the house or not.  My offer price would have been lower if I had to find someone to haul the thing away after moving in.
 
DeformedTree said:
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
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Influencers?
 
acer66 said:
DeformedTree said:
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
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Influencers?
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If they lived in DC they'd be known as lobbyist.  [wink]
 
If any of you are actually looking at buying a yuppie type stove, I would suggest looking at the GE Cafe series. Extremely well thought out design. Nice lighting on the knobs, good size knobs and legible indicators, awesome oven rack slides, good burner grate removal size. My guess is someone with aging in place experience helped design the stove.
I don't have one but if I were in the market its the one I would buy. Had to take a client on a shopping trip awhile ago and evaluate stoves for his new kitchen. We looked at all the high end units. The new Jenn-Air also had very nice design features.
I've always hated the big Viking and Wolf. Big dumb overkill. I've had to teach clients who to use the griddle or other other burners. Pretty funny when a couple making millions needs a schmuck like me to show him how to use their $15K+ stove.
Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS. 36" 5 burner, works well, cleans easy, oven is a bit finicky to turn on.
We live in gas land so its only the weirdos who use electric stoves here ;)
 
Throwing more wood into the fire, I have a Bosch 36" induction - it's quiet, has boost mode that can dim the neighbourhood lights, but occasionally, once in a rare moon, I do need flame.  Iwatani makes very nice portable butane burners that don't feel like they're going to explode.  I just set it on the induction and lock it down so I don't cook the portable unit [tongue].  Kinda the best of both worlds IMHO.
 
GoingMyWay said:
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!
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No surprise there, GE sold their appliances division to China's Haier back in 2016https://www.haier.com/global/haier_geappliances. Largely junk now.

GoingMyWay said:
A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?
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5-burner induction tops generally require a dedicated 40a 208/240v circuit, some 4-burner ones only require 30a. This can be a massive PIA to retrofit if the builder didn't already wire your kitchen with separate 240v lines for both oven and cooktop.
 
I've just picked up a lightly marked Gaggenau 200 series induction cooktop from a home clearance bunch (they're stupidly expensive new, but I guess people who'd normally buy these aren't interested in anything with a scratch or too, so they can be pretty cheap as factory 2nds).

I wanted it because it has KNOBS! I really wanted to avoid those touch panels that seem to have sluggish and inconsistence responses. The Gaggenau does all the clever electronic things that other induction tops (like fry sensor and linking zones), but all controlled by conventional knobs on the front.

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Yeah the ones with knobs are pretty rare. But the few that do exist seem to be a lot more expensive while having lower boost power.

The touch panels come in different flavors of functionality. My 9 year old Siemens works perfectly fine. The new Whirlpool my sister bought against my advise is ridiculously slow to respond.
 
Holzhacker said:
Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS.
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Bertazzoni Oven Ranges Are Painted Like Italian Sports Cars

Those are Alfas in the pic.    The Ferrari factory in Marenello uses robots to paint their car bodies.
 
Quote from: GoingMyWay on July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!
No surprise there, GE sold their appliances division to China's Haier back in 2016https://www.haier.com/global/haier_geappliances. Largely junk now.

I fail to see a connection between disappointment in 2008 and an event that happened in 2016.
 
We went with a 30” GE one which after 4 month or so finally arrived.
Now I have to build a cabinet and figure out the venting.
Looking forward to not having gas anymore and a smooth easy to clean surface.
 
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