KS60 Comments from an owner

[matte]

Hi. All. I already have a Kapex 60 e set.  I love the compact design , led light. It feels very robust. Well build.  Butt when i gonna cut a piece of wood with dimension like 30 cm x 25 cm, 90 degrees. The cut will not be spot on 90 degrees. Already contacted festool ask what to do.  They say that i could try to solve the problem by myself. Butt i put some hours in it and i didn't not get the saw cutting 90 degrees. So my is gonna going back to festool.  I measured with 2 different squares. One is a starret other one a angulus.  Both squares shows the same problem

Here you can see that i pulled out he saw and putt the square against the saw teeth.

Here i dropped the saw back at its beginning and then you can see that there is a gap between the teeth and de square

Here you can see the gap between the cutted piece of wood and the square. At 90 degrees

 

[AlexThePalex]

Hm, first real life report of the new saw on the FOG and it already has to go back.

 

[Harry1561]

Any other owners of the new ks60 with a review of the saw? I'm going to put my order in with my local dealer in the morning  [eek] [scared]

 

[sortandtorque]

Thanks for this info as we have started selling the KS 60 here in guildford UK. A few have gone out so if we here anything will keep you updated.

 

[VesaS]

Thanks for this info as we have started selling the KS 60 here in guildford UK. A few have gone out so if we here anything will keep you updated.

Looking forward to your review. I'm considering KS 60 too.

Vesa

 

[Skill Builder]

I don't know but I am thinking that this is just the usual matter of setting up or adjusting. Most Festool saws seem to be well set up out of the box but many other saws coming out of China need a lot of adjustment and some need constant adjustment especially if they are thrown into the back of the van.
It should be possible for your dealer to help you but it is a good idea to learn how to make those micro adjustments. I use a square and a torch. You also need to be sure the square is accurate some are not.

 

[Svar]

I use a square and a torch.

A torch?! What do you do with it?
Anyway, isn't the angle scale on KS60 adjustable, i.e. can be loosened up and moved side to side a little?

 

[Jak147]

The problem would be that while the scale may line up the detent would not. Are the other preset angles also off? I.e. Do two 45cuts make a true 90?

 

[peter halle]

Just as a clarification a flashlight is sometimes called a torch in some parts of the world.

Peter

 

[Holmz]

My dictionary links it with witch hunts

torch |tɔːtʃ|
noun
1 Brit.a portable battery-powered electric lamp.
• chiefly historical a portable means of illumination such as a piece of wood or cloth soaked in tallow and ignited, sometimes carried ceremonially used in witch hunts.
• [ in sing. ] used to refer to a valuable quality, principle, or cause, which needs to be protected and maintained: mountain warlords carried the torch of Greek independence.
2 chiefly N. Amer.a blowlamp.
3 US informal an arsonist.

 

[Cheese]

My dictionary links it with witch hunts

Witch hunt...torch...got it. But flashlight? WTF

I've just chuckled for the last 5 minutes over this item. Who'd have thunk...sometimes the American, English & Aussie words for the same item are more difficult to understand than the same items in Finnish, Italian, German or Spanish!

 

[antss]

A hardened square from Starrett is accurate , trust me.

I would expect to have to fiddle with a cheap homeowner's grade saw from a Chinese factory. 

I do not expect to have to mess about with an expensive saw saw from a premimum manufacturer made in a German factory. Presumably , (and I'm fairly certain it's been said in writing on FOG) that part of the added cost of a Festool is in part because materials are better, and quality control more stringent.

If not , and these are actually just regular no name quality tools in a slick package and an excited fan club - then we are really being taken advantage of.

 

[Cheese]

A hardened square from Starrett is accurate , trust me.

A Starrett Master Precision square has a squareness accuracy of .0001 per 6". So if you decide to come up with the $656 necessary to purchase a Starrett 12" square, you'll be able to measure a squareness of .0002". That's the equivalent of 1/5 the thickness of a human hair, if we accept that the standard hair is .003" in diameter.

Some people rail against the cost of the Woodpeckers squares, but they are indeed cheap, cheap, cheap compared to the traditional alternatives.
A Starrett 20/36 square runs $4200, while the Woodpeckers 16/26 runs $200.

The Starrett 20/24 is relatively cheap at $1800.

 

[Holmz]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] the flashlight is the cordless version of a torch... like Torch-REB

On my iPhone I have an iTorch app...
It is a conundrum.

 

[kevinculle]

If the OP downloads the Kapex 120 supplemental manual (an invaluable resource) and performs the four cut test he will get a very accurate reading on the accuracy of the saw at 90 degrees.

 

[Nigel]

A hardened square from Starrett is accurate , trust me.

A Starrett Master Precision square has a squareness accuracy of .0001 per 6". So if you decide to come up with the $656 necessary to purchase a Starrett 12" square, you'll be able to measure a squareness of .0002". That's the equivalent of 1/5 the thickness of a human hair, if we accept that the standard hair is .003" in diameter.

Some people rail against the cost of the Woodpeckers squares, but they are indeed cheap, cheap, cheap compared to the traditional alternatives.
A Starrett 20/36 square runs $4200, while the Woodpeckers 16/26 runs $200.

The Starrett 20/24 is relatively cheap at $1800.

Can't understand anyone paying these prices to work with wood....

 

[antss]

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The Starrett 20/24 is relatively cheap at $1800.
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Can't understand anyone paying these prices to work with wood....
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That is hilarious , coming from a FOG subscriber and presumed Festool owner.

 

[Timtool]

It's not very clear if the problem is in adjusting the scale, or if the scale detents themselves are wrong.
If it's anything like the KS120 then it's a pretty easy procedure, granted it should be set right enough in the factory. But re adjusting the scale is something you have to do sooner or later any way along with the lasers. Sending it back for that is pretty drastic, almost ridiculous, especially knowing the carrier service who brings it back might be tossing the box around. But again it's not clear if the problem is only in adjusting the scale. I recall that my used KS120 had a bent back fence, but some had it on new ones. That would cause kick backs and make it impossible to set right on both sides.

 

[matte]

The fence is looseable. At the top of the fence there are 4 hex bolts. I tried myself to make the kapex cut square. Tried for several ours. One time i thought it was square, but it wasn`t. When i made a cut with a piece of wood at the left side of the fence ( so the wood piece was at the left side of the blade) it was square. Butt when i made the same cut at the right side of the square it wasn`t square. I don`t know what the problem , i cannot solve the problem myself , thats why the saw will go back to festool. I think that a mitre saw at this price point must cut square. i will keep you informed about the kapex ..

 

[Nigel]

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The Starrett 20/24 is relatively cheap at $1800.

Can't understand anyone paying these prices to work with wood....
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That is hilarious , coming from a FOG subscriber and presumed Festool owner.
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Perhaps your own words would make my meaning clearer?

''I have a twin rail saw that's a lot lighter than a ks60 and it cost all of 80 quid !  And I think you mean say the KS60 has acceptable deflection don't you ?  There's a thread round here recently when I think [member=44099]Cheese[/member] showed that one can deflect any mitersaw a measurable amount- which isn't none.  At the end of the day pretty much all mitersaws can and will cut a piece of wood accurately enough for carpentry jobs that we do.

We're not building Formula1 engines that require infinitesimal amounts of precision.''