Las Vegas FOG Tool Training!

I'd like to take a moment and welcome Jack and Kyle Reeves to the FOG. Maybe they could tell us what all they won and what they think of Festool. I'm sure their view will be biased with the training seminar and not having to pay for them! :)

Let us know of any upcoming projects and take some pictures to show off those projects.

Any way, welcome on board, and what a terrific way to start!
 
Ned Young said:
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Considering I wasn't using a flash.  Top that, Clark.

BTW, Jack, welcome to FOG.  What a great start on the slippery green slope!

Ned

Wellllll...  Here's my modest effort...

Jack (note the steely gaze!):
JackReeves.jpg


Kyle (The Kapex is SO light... How light is it?!?):
KyleReeves.jpg


I go for the action shots!  ;D

Dan.

p.s. Jack, welcome to the FOG! 
 
Dave Ronyak said:
robtonya said:
I would like to hear more about the MFK 700, that tool has really caught my interest. Also I seen Per wasn't wearing a dead animal on his head, was you able to recognize him without it? ;D

Rob,

Here's what I learned about the MFK 700.  The Festool representatives stated that the motor is nearly the same as that of the barrel grip Trion jigsaw.  It is rated at 723 Watts (746 W =1 Hp).  The MFK 700 should be great for banding and inlay work.  You can set the centerline of the banding/inlay without the router motor in its base.  When trimming a banded edge, a sensor bearing runs on the banded edge spaced away from the edge being cut which reduces/avoids ingress of debris into the bearing.  The aperture of the vertical motor position base is threaded to accept standard PC bushings.  The green bit depth control knob is large and clearly marked to indicate which way to turn it to adjust the depth of cut in one-tenth millimeter increments.  There are two short, spaced apart guide rods that support the motor relative to the base to prevent any tipping of the motor relative to the base.  The range of depth adjustment is limited, but is very precise and repeatable, in either direction.  During the hands-on demonstrations we saw and used both the 1 1/2 degree horizontal motor base and the vertical motor base.  With the 1 1/2 degree base, the depth was adjusted to get the trimmed banded edge exactly even with the face of the pre-finished maple plywood, and upward and downward to show the effects on the cut edge following a very slight adjustment of the depth of cut.  Turning the height adjustment knob merely a click or two downward below perfectly flush allowed the bit to cut a gentle ramp (one and one-half degrees) on the face of the panel.  Raising the bit the same amount eliminated any cutting into the face.  With the motor installed into the vertical base, we trimmed a panel that was coated with plastic laminate.  As with the 1 1/2 degree horizontal base, the adjustments were easy and precise.  Dust collection in both operational modes was excellent.   A traditional edge guide is available for the MFK 700.  It was shown to us, but was not demonstrated.  This edge guide would be useful for inlay banding work.  The zero degree horizontal motor base was not demonstrated.   The MFK 700 was relatively quiet, as expected, given its relatively small motor.  

Dave R.

Thanks for the reply Dave, I wish I could of been there with all of you. I would of liked to see all those great products, and met all those great people. I also could of asked about their sanders in an automotive application. I want an MFK 700 though pretty bad, I have done round over work on an edge of a board, and something as small and stable as that looks like it would be perfect.
 
GreenGA said:
Frank Pellow said:
I'm very impressed that Festool hosted this event!

When I worked as a software developer at IBM and at Microsoft, we had large user groups and hosted annual meetings that representatives of those groups attended.  It was a great way for us to stay in touch with our users.  It's great to see something like this being done by a tool manufacturer.

If it was at the same time (IBM & MS), that almost sounds like OS/2 development...
No, it was three different times (and in three different countries).

1964-1979:  IBM in Canada and in the United Kingdom

1986-1997: IBM in Canada

1997-2003: Microsoft in the United States

And, I did do some work on the development of OS/2.
 
Hey Jack!
Welcome to the forum.  It was great seeing you and Kyle during the training.  You added a great perspective to the discussions, and you and Kyle are just so friendly.
Hope Kyle is recovering well from his turkey adventure.
Now, it would have been a great photo if Kyle (in his stitched-up state) had done a Jager shot!
Make sure to post about the tools you won.
Matthew
 
I applied for a job w/ IBM at the time they were planning to port OS/2 to the PowerPC, but it didn't lead to anything.  I did 8 yrs of application development on OS/2.  Still think OS/2 was better than windows.  I've been doing web application development using Java since 1998.

Fred
 
bruegf said:
I applied for a job w/ IBM at the time they were planning to port OS/2 to the PowerPC, but it didn't lead to anything.   I did 8 yrs of application development on OS/2.   Still think OS/2 was better than windows.   I've been doing web application development using Java since 1998.

Fred
It's always nice to hear from a happy user of something you developed.   :)   Even, after all these years.  ;D

The portion that I helped develop was the database support -and a lot of that still survives (under the DB2 umbrella).
 
Frank Pellow said:
GreenGA said:
Frank Pellow said:
I'm very impressed that Festool hosted this event!

When I worked as a software developer at IBM and at Microsoft, we had large user groups and hosted annual meetings that representatives of those groups attended.  It was a great way for us to stay in touch with our users.  It's great to see something like this being done by a tool manufacturer.

If it was at the same time (IBM & MS), that almost sounds like OS/2 development...
No, it was three different times (and in three different countries).

1964-1979:  IBM in Canada and in the United Kingdom

1986-1997: IBM in Canada

1997-2003: Microsoft in the United States

And, I did do some work on the development of OS/2.

That's interesting.  How early or late in its life were you involved?

I taught classes in programming PM for IBM at the Boca facility across the street from the airport.

I better stop now or this will become a stroll down memory lane and all that involves. :(

RIP OS/2  :(
 
GreenGA said:
Frank Pellow said:
GreenGA said:
Frank Pellow said:
I'm very impressed that Festool hosted this event!

When I worked as a software developer at IBM and at Microsoft, we had large user groups and hosted annual meetings that representatives of those groups attended.  It was a great way for us to stay in touch with our users.  It's great to see something like this being done by a tool manufacturer.

If it was at the same time (IBM & MS), that almost sounds like OS/2 development...
No, it was three different times (and in three different countries).

1964-1979:  IBM in Canada and in the United Kingdom

1986-1997: IBM in Canada

1997-2003: Microsoft in the United States

And, I did do some work on the development of OS/2.

That's interesting.  How early or late in its life were you involved?

I taught classes in programming PM for IBM at the Boca facility across the street from the airport.

I better stop now or this will become a stroll down memory lane and all that involves. :(

RIP OS/2  :(
First of all let me appologize for this tangent -and I promise to stop my part in it soon.  :-[

I worked on the OS/2 database support from the time it was transfered from Florida to Austin Texas (I think that was in 1987) until just about the demise of OS/2.  About 1993 we transferd the project to Toronto and expanded it to include UNIX and Windows database support.
 
Here's a few of other observations I made while at "Festool Fantasy Camp": 

1)  I did not make up that term, Festool USA did, and I think it accurately describes the experience.  All of the FestoolUSA personnel were extremely good and gracious hosts, and spoiled us rotten.  Christian O. and I happened to first meet when we stepped up to adjacent stations at the hotel registration desk.  I think he extended his hand first when he heard my name being spoken by the hotel registration person as he handed me my room key.

2) The C12 drill demonstration included repeatedly driving and removing a large (16" long? with 6" ? of threaded area adjacent the end distal the head) timber framing screw into end grain of douglas fir.  Why end grain... because they did not have any wood pieces taken alone or stacked that would have enabled cross grain insertion.  Also, before this large screw, the repeatedly drove a large screw (4"?) through cross grain of that same fir timber.  The C12 could repeatedly continue to bury that screw far below the surface if you kept the trigger on.

A purpose of the demo was to get the C12 heated up to cause its electronic nanny safeguards to activate.  They eventually did.  The drill emitted a slight "beep."  But that was only after fully seating and removing that 16" screw several times consequentively.  A couple of battery changes (1.3 AH NiCd) were needed before the drill got noticeably warm to hold.  And before the drill "beeped" timeout due to heating up, it beeped as each battery was drained to signal the need to change the battery.

I was not previously impressed with the C12, excepting its array of quick-change chucks which would be my main reason to purchase a Festool battery-powered drill eventually.  (I work at home and have several top quality corded drills in a range of sizes.)  Now I think of the C12 as "the little drill that could"  (a word play on the children's book entitled "The Little Engine that Could.")

3) Sanding.  Before the training by Festool's representatives, I thought I knew how to sand with my Festool sanders (RO 125, ETS 125, LS 130, Deltex 93).  WRONG!!  Although I had read and heard statements about how the level of vacuum affects action of the sander, I really did not fully understand those statements.  Ace trainer and all-around fun guy Brian Sedgeley taught me and others exactly how to adjust the level of suction to get the best sanding action out of any of the sanders, although he primarily used an RS2 for teaching that adjustment.

Here's a way to properly set the vacuum level.  With the sander powered on and the vacuum machine on (CT 22 in the demo), begin with a lower vacuum speed setting and turn the vacuum speed control up until you just begin to hear the speed of the sander drop.  At this set of operating conditions, you should also be able to feel the sander becoming harder to move across the workpiece.  Then back off the vacuum speed/level gradually until the sander speed begins to increase slightly and the sander can be moved more easily across the workpiece.  The sander will seem to float on the workpiece compared to when the vacuum level is too high.  You may have to tweak (going up and down in vacuum speed setting slowly) to find the "sweet spot." 

According to Brian and Christian O., when you do you sanding under these "optimized" vacuum settings (which are likely different for each change of abrasive sheet), at first you will think that the rate of sanding is diminished, which it may be.  But the time required to get to the final sanded finish surface will be less than if you use an excessive vacuum level or worse yet, bear down on the sander rather than letting it do its work based on its own weight (and that of you hand/arm resting on it to merely guide it).  According to Christian, pressing down on the sander causes extra deep scratches in the workpiece which then require much more sanding with subsequent finer grades of abrasive to remove.  Thus the total amount of material that must be sanded away is increased as is the total time required to do so.

The foregoing instructions do not necessarily apply to use of a Deltex or a Rotex in Rotex mode.  These machines have positively driven abrasive pads.  Festool recognizes that nearly everyone is going to push down these sanders on the work piece or even turn them so an edge portion of the pad exerts increased pressure and concentrates the work onto an area smaller than the entire pad surface.  These machines can take that usage, but doing so won't result in the best surface finish and that surface is likely not to be level after using such sanding method.

Will I change my ways when using my Deltex 93 or RO 125 to remove some nasty old paint, varnish or rusty crud?  probably not.  But its not likely that I am going to create many gouges when sanding the steel lintel of my brick-faced house!

Dave R

 
Dave those instructions in #3 should be under their own thread on "Sanding Techniques for the RS2" or "Sanding with Festools" in general so it will be simpler to find. Very nice and they warrant their own area! Then maybe people can add tips for other sanders and they will be in one place under an appropriate heading.

Nickao
 
I agree with the Idea of the info in the respective tool threads.

But.

Allow me to make a suggestion.

Lets keep this the front page for now.

Its very easy for the info giver to copy and paste and leave a info post in the tool thread.

I say this as a attendee and non note taker these fellas are refreshing my memory.

Okeedokee?

Per
 
Per Swenson said:
I agree with the Idea of the info in the respective tool threads.

But.

Allow me to make a suggestion.

Lets keep this the front page for now.

Its very easy for the info giver to copy and paste and leave a info post in the tool thread.

I say this as a attendee and non note taker these fellas are refreshing my memory.

Okeedokee?

Per

Good idea.

Ned
 
Ok,

I am going to go completely out of turn here.

My first impression of the OF 2200 EB.

What the heck would I do with that?

When I got my hot little hands on it. that immediately changed to

Ohmyflippingawd!

What Steve Bace had in the router was a huge honkin decorative edge bit.

Scary size huge. So huge, to consider putting in a router was outside the box dangerous.

Well, any other router.

I figured that hand held shaper advertising copy in the catalog, was just that.

It isn't.

I don't own or use a router table, but I do have numerous router table bits that

fit into the shaper via a adapter. Each and every one of them are labeled,

Danger, for table use only.

They can now change those labels.

This seriously changes my thinking.  Shop work cost's me money.

Yes, in my own shop.

On site builds in the custom game greatly increases the profit margin.

We have a joke around here where we mimic a customer or observer in accented vernacular.

" Oh gee, I nevuh seen nuthin like dat before"

This time the jokes on me.

I will let the more technical note taker's give there impressions with all the details

such as the 4 post turret.

My impression....OHMYGAWD!

Per

Per

 
bruegf said:
I applied for a job w/ IBM at the time they were planning to port OS/2 to the PowerPC, but it didn't lead to anything.   I did 8 yrs of application development on OS/2.   Still think OS/2 was better than windows.  I've been doing web application development using Java since 1998.

Fred

I agree!  OS/2 was, and still is in my HO, the best PC operating system.

Alert...  Vanity question...

Did you ever use OPCONSOL?
 
So you like the OF 2200.My first impression was the same, but now you've got me thinking. dang it
                                                                                                    Thanks
                                                                                                      Dan
P.S. I coulda gone.
 
Thanks to those who were there for sharing information from your wonderful experience.

Pictures are always welcome.  Sometimes it is said that a picture is worth a thousand words.

I have a question about some of the words in the pictures.

In the pictures of the Kapex, fastened to the wall in the background is a banner.
On the banner are the words "Fasten your tool belts.  NEW PACKAGE DEALS"
Under that text there appear to be some diagrams showing combinations.
Is this possibly new news about package deals, or is this an old news banner?

Could someone who was there provide any clarification about this?

Thanks.

Joel K
 
with all due respect...

could we save the computer conversation to the off topic thread?

Thanks

Per
 
Per Swenson said:
with all due respect...

could we save the computer conversation to the off topic thread?

Thanks

Per

Yeah...  I knew it would digress.  Sorry.
 
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