Mafell P1cc Jigsaw

woodie

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I just got the saw yesterday so I only have a few photos to share as a primer  [big grin]. I'll have a chance to put it to through some tests over the next few weeks and add more info as I go.

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fshanno asked about using the Cunex W1 blade in other jigsaws. Here's a closeup of the t-shank on the W1 blade.

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It doesn't look like this would be practical to adapt.
 
Woodie,

I am very much looking forward to your review.  Would love to see how this saw does with standard blades too and if they are all 90 degree or if there is deflection.  I am really pleased with my new Trion and have spot on 90 degree cuts with different blades in different materials.  The Mafell has always intrigued me, though...also the parallel guide seems so well thought out. 

Scot
 
Very nice! Can you run it on a Festool rail? Am looking forward to hearing your reports on this saw!
 
Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...
And I dunno- I see the virtues of a jig saw and parallel guide to be sorta opposing forces, if you get my drift...
One is primarily for cutting curves, the other primarily straight lines....

But hey I don't mean to rain on your parade... It's a very very nice looking saw...

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.....
 
Mmm.  Do I detect angst in your post?
Fear not - there is hope for you  [unsure]  [big grin]

Maybe all will be revealed as woodie (and others?) inform us of their experiences of the P1cc.
And, whether any (alleged) fuss is warranted.

Obviously being able to use the Coping Foot imperative for you - fair enough.
But the Foot doesn't fit lots of jig-saws, so your heads-up re' the Mafell helpful to those
who need to know that.

Similarly - ditto'ish re' comments about fence.

Don't think raining on anyone's parade to be honest.

I, for one, am looking forward to what others think about a jig-saw that
has a good reputation.

Richard

 
Jigsaw reputation ... maybe ok

Company "Mafell" as having any interest in providing products or service in Australia ... toilet !

I judge a product by more than it's technical attributes, that's why I have massive respect for Festool. Based on my interactions, I hope you're happy with the Mafell and I hope it doesn't fail on you.
 
JoggleStick said:
Fuzzy logic.... Yes that says it all...
What a tool....

I love a good subtext, just like I love a good whisky  [wink]
 
ScotF said:
Woodie,

I am very much looking forward to your review.  Would love to see how this saw does with standard blades too and if they are all 90 degree or if there is deflection.  I am really pleased with my new Trion and have spot on 90 degree cuts with different blades in different materials.  The Mafell has always intrigued me, though...also the parallel guide seems so well thought out. 

Scot

I'm more interested in how it performs with standard t-shank blades as well.  Though it's nice having Mafell's W1 blade as an option.

epicxt said:
Very nice! Can you run it on a Festool rail? Am looking forward to hearing your reports on this saw!

I just tried this out this morning and found two ways the Festool guide rail can be used.  The rail doesn't wind up being used as a "captive" guide but works as a straight edge.  I mention that because I believe the Carvex/Trion guide base uses the raised profile on the rail like the TS55/75.

Option 1 -  Uses the included Parallel Edge Guide.  With the guide in the position shown below it allows the saw base to lay flat against the work surface and the edge guide to lay flat against the guide rail. 

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Option 2 - The base of the saw has machined flats that run parallel to the blade on both sides. These can be used to guide the saw against the back side of the guide rail.

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JoggleStick said:
Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...
And I dunno- I see the virtues of a jig saw and parallel guide to be sorta opposing forces, if you get my drift...
One is primarily for cutting curves, the other primarily straight lines....

But hey I don't mean to rain on your parade... It's a very very nice looking saw...

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.....

I have no intention of coping with a Jigsaw, but as fuzzy logic said that may be good for others to know. 

As to cutting straight lines with a jig saw versus curves? I definitely don't see myself ripping 4x8 sheets of ply with it, I think I'd much prefer using my TS75.  Though having said that, I've used a jigsaw many times to cut straight lines...

Kev said:
Jigsaw reputation ... maybe ok

Company "Mafell" as having any interest in providing products or service in Australia ... toilet !

I judge a product by more than it's technical attributes, that's why I have massive respect for Festool. Based on my interactions, I hope you're happy with the Mafell and I hope it doesn't fail on you.

So far my experience with the Mafell dealer has been exceptional as have my dealings with various Festool dealers (with the exception of my local brick and mortar outlet).  I'm not posting my experience with this saw to spite Festool and I hope no one has taken it that way?  There just isn't a great deal of info on the web regarding the P1cc, particularly from end users.  I merely thought others would appreciate the added perspective.
 
Paul G said:
Is there only one Mafell dealer in the US?

Oops, I meant to answer that in the other thread and forgot. Yes I think there is only one US dealer, Timberwolf Tools in Maine.  As I understand it they've been a Mafell dealer for 26 years.

 
Timberwolf have recently took over north american distribution and have the market for the time being. Hopefully Canada regains a dealer that's a fraction as good as our previous one. I'm stocked on mafell gear for now but there's so much more I want. I like that you can run the bladed backwards on this puppy for more support when using the saw beneath the stock. Not to mention the 1 million other cool tweaks on this guy. Can't wait for a full review.
 
If the P1cc is like any of the other Mafell tools then its well worth the money.  I have no regrets with any of my Mafell tools. 

Festool makes great products but they are not the only German company setting the standard for the industry. 

I understand not everyone will see the value in some tools.  Some of my Family, Friends, and Clients are astonished by the cost of equipment and think I'm crazy.  What they dont know is Festool is just the stepping point since thats all they see.  Walk into a well equipped shop and there will be Felder, Altendorf, Martin, Streibig, Hoffmann.....Line borers, sliding Saws, Shapers, Air clamps, Wide belt sanders.  You wont see me get too worked up comparing jigsaws when just a portion of my stationary tools could buy the entire Festool line.  If a tool under a 1K scares you then your not ready to build a shop.

As for the coping foot: Most guys a I know who use the coping foot have one attached to a jigsaw permanently for that purpose while another jigsaw is available for other tasks.  Its like routers......easier to have lots of routers set permanently with bits rather than change setups constantly. 
 
+1

Have 3 jigsaws.
!x with Foot + 1x battery & 1x mains (these two are DeWalts, which have given
good service, but getting very tired.)

My interest in the P1cc is that (including optional tilting base) all fits neatly into
one Systainer; although would want T-Loc (love that, when stacked, can tilt them, to get into
one half way down.)
Seems convenient and versatile - with, for sure, some innovative design features.

Look forward to Woodie giving thoughts re' 'squareness' of cuts,
dust collection, and, the blade attachment mechanism - etc, etc.

I suppose durability is an unknown - but, Mafell seem to know what they're about.
And, as quite a few companies do now, comes with 3-year warranty.

Richard
 
Hey @Jalvis,

I really laughed out loud when I read your post- it tickled my fancy, so to speak.

Well while we all wait patiently for @woodie to get some 'tool time' up so he can give us a report, I read with interest that you've been happy with your Mafell tools...

Care to share your experience?.....

Oh and BTW I have at least a half doz. jigsaws of various colours in the vans and shop, but only one with a coping foot... And it's very well used.... And it never comes off... And I've never cut a coping cut with it either..... :grin. :clue... Think rolling bevels and you'll get the drift....
 
First off, I must confess, I find myself becoming somewhat of a Mafell fan after replacing my TS55 & Carvex with the MT55 & P1cc. But this is my honest opinion on it.

The only negative things I have to say about it are:
1st, there's very little information available.
2nd, there's no dust collection capability when using the tilting baseplate.
3rd, there's no LED light on it.
4th, Mafell doesn't have plug-it leads on their tools. :)
5th, it's expensive.

When it comes to build quality, power, cut quality, dust extraction & all round performance, I much prefer it to the Carvex 400 it replaced.
In the end it's still just an (expensive) jigsaw though, but I must say it's the best I've used up till now.

For what it's worth, I find that in general (there's always exceptions), Festool is ideal to work with and more suited to a shop enviornment. I'm not saying there not suited for the jobsite. I mean compared to eachother.
Everything complements and works nicely together and there's tons of accessories available for just about every tool. And there's dealers everywhere when you need something.

Mafell mostly caters to a different market than Festool. There's very little info, not many dealers and they have less but more specialty tools. Their KSS saw line-up for example can be a huge time savings compared to going back and forth to the miter saw (depending on the work you do of course).
I do find them nicer to work with on a job site, out on location. They've always got more power, feel more resistant to wear & tear and they pack the accessories more compact into a single systainer with the tool. It gets done faster with Mafell.
 
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