McFeely screw assortment in Systainer 1

Hi Ron

I already own 5 Sortainers and use one of them for screws. I'd like to top it up with the 1300 sawtooth screws. Where on your website can I order the screws included with the Sortainer for $138 (1300-FRL-SORT)? If I do my math correctly the 1300 screws should be $26 and a good buy. I don't need the screwdrivers.

For you people out there monitoring the border... I'll be in Washington next week picking up some schtuff

Thanks
Dan
 
I already had a lot of McFeely screws and decided to order just the 12 drawer Sortainer to put them in.  Don't want to sound negative, but I sure expected more than 24 dividers for a 12 drawer Sortainer.  It doesn't say how many dividers you'd get on the McFeely website.  Now I'm looking at $9.00 per 10 dividers plus shipping.  I do really like the Sortainer though.  Keeps all my favorite size screws close to my work area too.
 
Daviddubya said:
Dan Clermont said:
...Where on your website can I order the screws included with the Sortainer for $138 (1300-FRL-SORT)? If I do my math correctly the 1300 screws should be $26 and a good buy. I don't need the screwdrivers.
...Dan

Dan - Here's an unplated assortment of 1200 screws:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/1200-FSL-S/Special-1200-Sample-Assortment

If I understand correctly that is 25 screws in each size and I am looking for the sawtooth version. Maybe I am reading the webpage wrong but I believe that is 300 screws for $19.95

Dan C
 
Dan Clermont said:
If I understand correctly that is 25 screws in each size and I am looking for the sawtooth version. Maybe I am reading the webpage wrong but I believe that is 300 screws for $19.95

Dan C

Dan - As I read it, 1300-FRL-SORT is an assortment of combo drive screws (Phillips and square drive), not "sawtooth" or self tapping screws.  I don't see an assortment of "auger point" screws, as McFeely's refers to them.
 
Daviddubya said:
Dan Clermont said:
If I understand correctly that is 25 screws in each size and I am looking for the sawtooth version. Maybe I am reading the webpage wrong but I believe that is 300 screws for $19.95

Dan C

Dan - As I read it, 1300-FRL-SORT is an assortment of combo drive screws (Phillips and square drive), not "sawtooth" or self tapping screws.  I don't see an assortment of "auger point" screws, as McFeely's refers to them.

If you read the "screws included" it lists them as sawtooth.

Dan C
 
Dan Clermont said:
If you read the "screws included" it lists them as sawtooth.

Dan C

You are correct - I missed that the first time I read it.  In any event, I don't see any assortments of combo drive screws offered except the two that come with Systainers.  You might email on Ron Pegram at McFeely's.
 
Are "sawtooth" screws similar to Spax screws, the ones with the wavy edges on the leading portion of the screws?  Although they are premium in price, I have quickly become a fan of Spax screws compared to those with standard threads.  The Spax screws I have are all zinc plated.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
Are "sawtooth" screws similar to Spax screws, the ones with the wavy edges on the leading portion of the screws?  Although they are premium in price, I have quickly become a fan of Spax screws compared to those with standard threads.  The Spax screws I have are all zinc plated.

Dave R.

Dave,

I have to be careful when I say something is similar to SPAX because that's a trademark product (and one we'll be carrying in 2-3 weeks). However, I do feel comfortable discussing SPAX at length and our sawtooth thread at length and having you all make some comparisons and contrasts.

Let me begin by stating that everything I'm about to say is in regards to the fully-threaded SPAX screw, which is what we're going to carry in a flat-head (in clear and yellow zinc) as well as a pan head and round washer head styles. We may carry their partial threaded screw at some point but the partial thread doesn't have all of the benefits of the fully threaded screw, although it is an outstanding screw in its own right. If I decide to carry the partial threaded screw, I'll start with their stainless steel version and MDF version. For those items, the partial thread makes sense (for stainless, it's smart because the partial thread eliminates some of the torque that can be used and the MDF benefits from it because of the nature of MDF material).

SPAX screws have a number of patented and truly innovative features. Their multi-material thread allows you to drive SPAX into both wood and less than or up to 24 gauge sheet metal without pre-drilling. The same screws may also be used in masonry without an anchor. The multi-material thread has a serrated portion that uses a proprietary design for quicker and easier cutting. The multi-material screw also had a patented head style that allows for flush countersinking. Finally, the multi-material screw has a their patented 4CUT point which has a square lip at the very point. It allows for driving without splitting.

Several weeks ago, I made the comment that our ProMaster was very similar to the SPAX and I've learned a lot since then. Our ProMaster does have a serrated thread but I wouldn't recommend using it in anything other than wood. It also doesn't have the head features or the specialized point that the SPAX does.

Normally, a wood screw isn't fully threaded because woodworkers like having the ability to make some adjustments. A partially threaded screws tends to pin materials together. A fully threaded screw, without the multi-material thread, would either jack out of the wood or cause splitting. However, the design characteristics of the multi-material thread eliminate both of those possibilities. The result is a mechanical attachment instead of the pinning action you'd expect from a partially threaded screw. These would be great for fastening something above your head. However, you're not going to be able to make some of the adjustments you'd normally be able to make using a wood screw because of the attachment this screw will form once driven.

In that sense, it's a really innovative product because it has features that make it outstanding for a beginner (ease of driving, one screw does it all applicability) but it's also something that will shine in the hands of an advanced woodworker as well because of the attachment it forms.

Once we roll these out, you'll see a lot of photos in our catalog and website detailing the innovative nature of the screw. I anticipate it making its catalog debut in May of '08 but the line should be fully established on www.mcfeelys.com by the end of February '08 at the latest. Obviously, I love to announce things but I'll give you all a heads up in this thread when they're ready to rock and roll.
 
Ron Pegram said:
...If I decide to carry the partial threaded screw, I'll start with their stainless steel version and MDF version....

Ron--

Rats.  There are at least two fans of the SPAX MDF screw on this board.  They're excellent, and anyone who works with MDF should give them a try.  They're hard to get and I was looking forward to the simplicity of ordering from McFeely's.  Now you tell me it's an if, not a when?  I repeat, rats.

Ned
 
Well if they're two fans on the board...I feel like I'm forced to comply. Tell you what, I'll roll those out on a limited basis as a web-only option. My fear is that I'm going to confuse people too much with both thread types. Yet, if I keep those web-only until I've established the benefits of the full thread, I think I'll be fine.

Consider me changed.
 
Great news and thanks, Ron.

Please announce here when the MDF screws are actually available for purchase.  I suggest starting a thread.

Ned
 
Thanks, Ron, for your detailed description of the many patented features of Spax (r) brand screws.  I knew of some of their versatility, and was already sold on them before you wrote.  Do let us know when they are available in a Sortainer package.  I prefer to work mostly with birch plywood and solid lumber.  Eliminating need to carry Tapcon (r) screws for concrete will also help to reduce the size of my home inventory.

Dave R.
 
After running up and down stairs to get screws from the basement, I finally broke down and bought the McFeely's screw assortment in a systainer 1.

Really sweet to now have all these nice wood screws at hand and very portable.  The screws are only slightly cheaper than my current vendor at $59.00 for the do-it-yourself-dozen, but then my vendor didn't throw in a systainer w bins, two driver bits and two square screw drivers, and another 100 screws.

It's a great way to buy a systainer or sortainer.  A 12 drawer sortainer w 1300 screws plus the drivers can be had for 138.00.  The sortainer alone is $119.00.

I also bought the 5 pounds of mixed screws for $12.50.  It reminded me of the grab bag thing when I was a kid, I got mostly #10 pan head screws, most of those (over 200) were 1 1/4", 200 1" flathead yellow zinc wood screws and a few odds and ends of others.  I was disappointed that the only pocket hole screws I got were thrown in  in two small packages.  It took less than 30 minutes to sort an bag the entire box.

I'm going to try the screws out at school tomorrow, the kids are really good at leaning on the 1/2" drill and breaking off my current #8 screws (and I consider them to be pretty good).

Steve
 
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