Metabo cordless

Just checked the COO of the light, made in Germany! Was not expecting that.

Finally got to take a look at the circ saw today too.

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Let's start w/ the negatives. First, it's not light. 4.5kg on the dot (9.92 lbs) w/ a battery, which is only .1kg lighter than the TSC55. For comparison my Milwaukee M18 Fuel saw is 3.2kg/7.0 lbs. Second, it's made in China, which is slightly disappointing, especially considering they made the LED light in Germany. But hey, so is most every other saw on the market.

I did a few quick cuts to test it, and it's definitely not as powerful as the M18 Fuel saw either. If I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's about 20-25% down on power vs the brushless Milwaukee. Just crosscutting 2x material, it does it fine, just slower. With the 5.2Ah battery, I wouldn't expect runtime to be an issue. I haven't ripped any boards, but my TS55 will tackle that most the time anyways.

The ergos are fussy, namely the lockout switch is hard to disengage while readying yourself to pull the trigger. You can technically disengage it from either side of the handle, but it's a rather far reach with either the thumb or pointer finger.

Onto the good, it has a rip fence, which the Milwaukee was lacking. It tracks very well, even without the fence in use. It has a soft start, which is nice.

Dust management is really impressive for being a "regular" circ saw. Without a vac, I'd say 80-85% of the dust made it out the chute. For whatever reason, dust chutes are NAINA every circ saw sold here, even though the same Milwaukee/Makita/etc saws in Europe have a dust port. I was making a serious attempt to import the upper guard on the Milwaukee because of the dust chute, although searching videos online showed that even w/ the port, dust management was poor.

I have a dust baggie belonging originally to a sander, I'd like to make a truly cord & hose free solution with a proper adapters (30mm OD outlet, we'll see what fits).

Metabo isn't known for their saws, and this certainly isn't putting out class leading power. It could also stand to shed a few kilos/pounds as well; a magnesium base and guard vs the stamped steel would shed weight instantly. However I'm pleased enough, especially at the price point. The dust management alone makes this saw worth keeping. I suspect it will replace the duty of the M18 Fuel saw entirely because it will save me the hassle of dust cleanup for quick cuts, and when I don't want to pull out the TS55, track, and CT vac. I'll see if I can make a video once I find the proper vac hose/dust bag adapters.
 
sae,

Please let us know how the dust collection works out to be on the Metabo saw.  I agree with what you said about the Milwaukee and they just came out with an M12 Fuel Circular Saw that looks pretty interesting, but just like the M18, it looks like it will have no dust collection.

Mike A.
 
I think dust extraction would be less of a "problem" with the battery circ saws - probably they are aimed at outdoor / on site use where electricity is scarce or non existent.

If the tool isn't corded it would be a hassle to run it with a Festool vac since there would be no auto trigger. If there is no electricity on site there is no way to use a vac anyway and outdoors it might be unnecessary.

Having said that it is always nice with power tools that have decent chip/dust collection bags. :)

 
Some of the uk sites are even expecting you to use dust collection outside. Most uk sites don't have power. So you think I'll use a cordless saw. Then they ask you to also use dust collection. Never mind that they don't supply power and you have to.  I usually just have a dust mask close to hand if they start moaning. I'm sure if they could we would have to bring our own material to the job to carry it out.
 
IMO festool dropped the ball on not getting their PDC drills to the north american market sooner. I would have bought one but now I'm seriously looking at these new Metabo's
 
Battery tech (at least Ah) has evolved to the point that it actually makes sense to invest in a "complete" system. A couple of years back I would not even think that but now a battery mitre saw makes sense. I could use one - but I would be REALLY thrilled by something that was a hybrid - i.e. could run corded and on batteries.

Ghostfist:
Metabo drills are great stuff - the Impuls function is actually really useful. But, the 18V drill model that my colleague has is rather big.
My colleague showed me the Metabo LED-light and lit up the inside of the van and it was impressive!
 
Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits said:
the 18V drill model that my colleague has is rather big.

I never felt that it was big, but I've only held/handled my brushless one, maybe their other models are larger. It fits in a T15 foam systainer insert, but I needed to modify a little for the height.

Here's a quick and dirty GIF I made comparing the sizes, perspective is a little different. And keep in mind the difference in chuck vs. no chuck, of course.

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Hi Henrik - your post (#26) about investing in a complete system re' battery power. 
Can't see Festool ever matching the range of battery tools available from some other companies. 

Someone posted about a new Kapex coming out; had me wonder if that might be
battery powered?? 

(btw: your posts about the size of drill handles got me thinking - some good points made. 
Only Festool drills I have are the C12 NIMH / CXS; the C12 is just about comfortable - but thinking of
upgrading to C15 Li-Ion, which has, I believe, slightly thicker handle; the C12 is great; but will be C15 be a touch uncomfortable - mmm? 
Most of all other battery tools are old DeWalts - which are fine.)

Richard UK
 
Richard; I am a long time user and fan of the C12 (NiMH).

The C15 has a "deeper" grip by 2-3mm which I find is not as comfortable as the older C12. With gloves even worse. If it is any "thicker" I can't tell since I no longer have the C12 - and yes, I miss the C12 often.

The T-grip drills are for some obscure reason better handling, a C15 with the T15 grip would have been sweet. Why they chose to make a more square grip on the C15 is beyond me.

The new Kapex (smaller unit) is not a battery Kapex. If there is one in the works? I don't know. The rep has been to and in the Festool factory and seems to know what he is talking about.

About the 18V range: I think Festool has one that is or at least will become very good for interior work but I don't see them reaching the same market penetration as Blue Bosch / Metabo which is more extensive. 

SAE:
Regarding the Metabo which I have described as "HUGE": I don't know whether they changed anything the last couple of years. I had the 14,4V LTX Quick which was not "too large" but not small. Mine looked exactly like yours, only 14,4V and I really liked them. I didn't mind the size except for the Impuls machine which felt rather clumsy and dated and had a 1st/2nd gear lever that was easily knocked in mid gear accidentally, causing gear grinding.  I think it was the one model before brushless.

At a woodworking expo they have/had the latest 18V LTX Quick drills and what struck me is how large they felt - the ones with the quick change system that is. Grip is very good though. After handling my colleagues 18V "Impuls" with Quick Change I was amazed of how large it was - even without the drill chuck! The C15 felt "small" in comparison.

Not knocking Metabo - I much like their drills.
 
Thanks for your comments Henrik. 
I'll jump straight to the T-18 and keep the C-12 -
which was thinking about as well. 

Richard UK
 
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