Metabo Cutting Extraction Hood CED 125 plus 626731000

[Simon O]

Recently read a thread concerning the Festool DSC-AG 125 Grinder 767 996 and it referenced the above Metabo Extraction hood.

Both [member=2726]Tom Gensmer[/member] and [member=44099]Cheese[/member] are using it with the Metabo WEV 15-125 HT and the WEV 15-125 Quick Inox respectively - a few questions to them and anyone else who might have used this sort of set up -

1) I'll be using it much more for freehand chasing of cracks in masonry/stucco, on vertical surfaces - is it relatively easy to direct where you want it to go? I'd want to have the depth of cut set, so would have to use the whole assembly.

2)  Given the above would it be better for me to have the Plus with the wheels? For ease of movement over wall surface.

3) How effective is it at getting the dust to the extractor? - I'll be connecting it to a new model Starmix iPulse.

4) How easy is it to get the grinder itself fitted/unfitted?

5) The WEV 15-125 HT isn't available to me in UK, so I'm looking at the Quick Inox version 1550 Watts 2000-7600 rpm and 5nm torque - would this have enough power for my application?

Thanks in advance.
Simon

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Hi Simon!

For what I do, I LOVE the Metabo setup.

1.) When used with the wheeled base the grinder doesn't lock-in at the set depth, so you'll spend the whole time having to press down on the grinder to maintain depth. When used on a vertical surface, it may be difficult to maintain a consistent depth of cut.

2.) I think the wheels are intended more for use on the floor or on a track. They provide very little clearance, so if the surface is at all uneven you'll end up just riding on the baseplate anyways

3.) Very good dust extraction on the Metabo CED setup. I prefer the geared-down, variable speed version, I set the speed to "3", it cuts plenty fast and doesn't kick up as much dust as when running flat-out. I'm running Metabo and Mafell iPulse vacs and they're a great match for this application.

4.) Very easy to add/remove the cutting shroud.

5.) The INOX 1550 watts 2000-7600 rpm model available to you should work great, it's geared lower than mine so you could probably run yours at a "4".

If you want a set-depth crack chaser, you may also want to consider a Hilti grinder with their DC-EX115 dust shroud.
https://www.hilti.com/c/CLS_CORDLES...ACUUM_7123/CLS_CORDLESS_DUST_CUT_7123/2101312

Advantage is you can set the depth, great visibility of the blade and good dust extraction, downside is I don't think the Hilti grinders are available in variable speed, and I prefer the handle layout on the Metabo.

Keep in mind that the Metabo shroud will only work on the Metabo grinder, Hilti shroud only works on Hilti grinders, Festool shroud only works on Festool grinders.

 

[Cheese]

Hey Simon, that thread was a discussion I had with Tom about Metabo grinders in general. I was looking for something that I could run on a track/rail. Tom was kind enough to point me in the direction and gave me a contact at ACME Tool.

I was prepared to purchase the Metabo until I learned that Festool was going to release their AGC 18-125 in the US. I've decided to wait for the Festool offering because I really want to go the cordless route.

 

[Simon O]

Thanks for getting back to me guys.

So from what you say [member=2726]Tom Gensmer[/member]  the Metabo set up isn't going to work for me if I want to, at the same time, chase out irregularly running cracks with a consistent set depth? And the Hilti set up would be a better bet?

I've had a look at the Hilti UK site and there is a 125mm model the AG-125-19SE rated at 1900watts with adjustable speed, but don't see how their dust extractor hood DC-EX 125/5" allows for good visibility of the blade? I'll give them a ring tomorrow to check on this.
I can't think of a situation where I'd need to use a track and cut a straight line, but I guess it's good to have the potential to do so.

When you say the 'cordless route' [member=44099]Cheese[/member], do you mean a cordless grinder with the Festool DCC-AG 125 attachment? Or is the AGC 18-125 the as yet unreleased Festool cordless grinder? I've considered the cordless route myself - it'd make for a simpler and more manoeuvrable system - but hesitated over concerns about runtime and power where cutting into masonry/stucco are concerned.

 

[Sanderxpander]

I don't really understand the obsession with cordless when you're still gonna have a vacuum attached. Am I missing something?

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I don't really understand the obsession with cordless when you're still gonna have a vacuum attached. Am I missing something?

In this application, depending on the tools used and load on the existing circuit, it's not unusual to pull well in excess of 15 or even 20 amps. A cordless grinder and/or vacuum would reduce the load on the circuit.

I've seen videos of Hilti and Metabo vacs powered by dual 18v batteries, can't wait for these to hit the market....

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Thanks for getting back to me guys.

So from what you say [member=2726]Tom Gensmer[/member]  the Metabo set up isn't going to work for me if I want to, at the same time, chase out irregularly running cracks with a consistent set depth? And the Hilti set up would be a better bet?

I've had a look at the Hilti UK site and there is a 125mm model the AG-125-19SE rated at 1900watts with adjustable speed, but don't see how their dust extractor hood DC-EX 125/5" allows for good visibility of the blade? I'll give them a ring tomorrow to check on this.
I can't think of a situation where I'd need to use a track and cut a straight line, but I guess it's good to have the potential to do so.

When you say the 'cordless route' [member=44099]Cheese[/member], do you mean a cordless grinder with the Festool DCC-AG 125 attachment? Or is the AGC 18-125 the as yet unreleased Festool cordless grinder? I've considered the cordless route myself - it'd make for a simpler and more manoeuvrable system - but hesitated over concerns about runtime and power where cutting into masonry/stucco are concerned.

Hi [member=62623]Simon O[/member]

Yeah, so the Metabo setup would be just fine for chasing cracks if you skip the base section and just use the dust collecting shroud, but you wouldn't get the depth setting (depth of cut would be ~1"/25mm). The base section would make this unwieldy on walls. The HILTI setup would probably match your application a bit better. I haven't used it myself, but I've handled one in my local HILTI center and it seems well made, and it's designed for tuck-pointing and crack chasing.

 

[Michael Kellough]

 

[Sanderxpander]

I don't really understand the obsession with cordless when you're still gonna have a vacuum attached. Am I missing something?

In this application, depending on the tools used and load on the existing circuit, it's not unusual to pull well in excess of 15 or even 20 amps. A cordless grinder and/or vacuum would reduce the load on the circuit.

I've seen videos of Hilti and Metabo vacs powered by dual 18v batteries, can't wait for these to hit the market....

Right, so it's really a 110V issue. Because at 220V (and really it's closer to 240 these days) I can pull about 3500W from a single group which seems plenty for anything I can think of.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Cheese]

When you say the 'cordless route' [member=44099]Cheese[/member], do you mean a cordless grinder with the Festool DCC-AG 125 attachment? Or is the AGC 18-125 the as yet unreleased Festool cordless grinder? I've considered the cordless route myself - it'd make for a simpler and more manoeuvrable system - but hesitated over concerns about runtime and power where cutting into masonry/stucco are concerned.

You've got it Simon!!!  [big grin]

The AGC 18-125 is the as yet unreleased cordless angle grinder. To that you'd fit the DCC-AG 125 Dust Extraction Attachment.

I own the ETSC 125 sander and am super happy with the battery life. I can get 2-3 hrs of sanding time when used on and off. Matter of fact, I'll usually swap out batteries before the first is completely depleted.

 

[Simon O]

[member=297]Michael Kellough[/member] - Eureka! that's exactly what I want! ....well with some tweaks - I think the capacity for the extractor is 2 litres, I'd like 7.5/ 10 litres; and the run time at full power with 2 x 6ah batteries would be around an hour, I'd like 3/4 hours; not sure on the run time of the grinder for my application, that's a question for the Makita rep at the upcoming FFX tool show. Like the look of the dust guard though - and at almost half the cost (with a variable speed 125mm corded grinder) of the Hilti set up, definitely worth checking out- thanks.

It would be great to be able to go all cordless for me and the work I do, but I reckon another couple of years to go yet.

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] - aaah got you, I guess your application for that set up will be cutting cementitious board/tiles etc - straight cut work?

I'm a bit of a sander nut got everything from 38mm up to 225mm in discs, and a lot of shapes and sizes in between - but now considering the DTSC set, again for convenience on scaffolded exterior restorations. That 2-3 hour runtime though, that's at full power? I thought it was around an hour?

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] - aaah got you, I guess your application for that set up will be cutting cementitious board/tiles etc - straight cut work?

I'm a bit of a sander nut got everything from 38mm up to 225mm in discs, and a lot of shapes and sizes in between - but now considering the DTSC set, again for convenience on scaffolded exterior restorations. That 2-3 hour runtime though, that's at full power? I thought it was around an hour?

Ya, cutting cement board and porcelain tiles.

The 2-3 hours I mention is on again and off again sanding with fairly fine grits, 180/220/240. I will mention that the ETSC with a bag doesn't collect the dust in the same manner as a vac. That just makes sense, it does do a very good job but there is a difference.

I'm presently refinishing a Simpson full view door and using the ETSC is really convenient. No hose to drag over the 7' long surface and no hose to wrap around my neck/shoulder area. I vacuum the entire door surface prior to changing grits, however I do that anyways even if I use the ETS EC instead.

I'll soon be sanding a bathroom ceiling and I think that's where it will really prove its worth.