Methods & Tools Used in the Festool Training Classes

Ken Nagrod

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Since I really haven't seen any detailed information from the attendees to the Door & Drawer and Cabinet Construction classes, I figured I might as well post it myself.

It would be informative and beneficial for others if those who attended would offer some insight into how they went about making the projects in some detail and the Festool tools used in performing the various steps of construction and assembly, especially since there are numerous methods to accomplish a given task, it would be interesting to know better or similar methods obtained using Festool tools and accessories.
 
I've been really busy lately but I'm getting things under control now so I might have some time to write some details about the recent door and drawer class.
 
Brice Burrell said:
I've been really busy lately but I'm getting things under control now so I might have some time to write some details about the recent door and drawer class.

Well after tonight, when Yzermen's TB Lightning oust the Pens, you'll have even more time available. ;D
 
greg mann said:
Brice Burrell said:
I've been really busy lately but I'm getting things under control now so I might have some time to write some details about the recent door and drawer class.

Well after tonight, when Yzermen's TB Lightning oust the Pens, you'll have even more time available. ;D

[off topic] [ban] [big grin]
 
Thank you, Brice, and I just want to add that hopefully other members aren't relying on just you doing this, just because of your prior experience and high quality of informative reviews.  To all the other members out there that have taken the courses, I'm only looking for some stuff in writing about what you did and how you went about it.  I appreciate all the pictures taken that members have posted, but I'm looking for more.  Something to fill the gap until Festool puts out a live feed or videos themselves.

This doesn't have to be a big difficult project.  Especially if multiple members share in the descriptive text.

Thank you.
 
Ken,
While there is a break in the Carvex discussion, let me try to tell about Cabinet Construction class in Henderson, NV in November 2010. That was very special because it was the first End User class in the new location and also because later that same week there was Advanced Router class. In those days there were 8 of us being trained, in four teams of two. Brian Sedgeley flew out to assist Steve Bace.

Monday (Day 1) started with Steve Bace using his famous Festool van to pick us up at the reception area of Sunset Station. Then at the Training Center we did the  paperwork and had a discussion in the classroom. Then we moved to the workshop were we were assigned partners and work stations. We each had 2 MFT/3 and several Sysports of tools. The goal was to make a framed base cabinet and a frameless upper wall cabinet.

Step 1 was to use a 3000mm rail to make a clean-up rip on a long edge of our 4x8 sheet of 19mm plywood, using a TS55 with 48 tooth blade cat 495 377. After that we attached our Parallel Guide set to make many precise rips. All the measurements were metric. Leaving the long rail set with the Parallel Guide, we set up the full MFT for cross cutting.

The off-cut of one 732mm x 300mm part was eventually ripped into four 73mm strips using the Parallel Guide extensions.

The backs were 1/4" material. Those dadoes and grooves were made using a 6mm straight bit in a MFK/700 trim router with a parallel edge guide.

Once the dadoes and grooves were made, we set up an OF1010 for LR32. The holes were 37mm in from the front and 62mm from the back. We used the pre-2011 linear stops to maintain uniform alignment front to back of the holes.

An exciting aspect was using steam irons (without water!) to edgeband the parts for the upper cabinet. We trimmed that edgebanding using a MFK700

We used the Domino to assemble the cabinets.

We used the RO 150, RS 2 and ETS 150/5 to sand the upper cabinet parts.

We used cabinet master bar clamps with glue and screws to assemble the upper cabinet. This ended a long first day.

While we were cleaning the workshop, Steve used my oldest TS55 to teach us how to check and adjust the toe. Day One concluded with a class dinner at Mimi's Cafe.

Day 2 started when Steve picked us up at the Guest Tower entrance of Sunset Station. The classroom discussion was very short.

Parts for the face frame were cross cut using Kapex, one for each team.

Face frames were assembled with Dominoes, glue and clamps. They were sanded with RO 150.

Eventually we attached a filler strip to the upper cabinet using 5 x 30mm Dominoes. That we scribed using the RAS 115.

All of those cabinets have been saved. During the May Doors and Drawers class we will make those, add them to the cabinets. They will be donated to Habitat for Humanity.

Last November G Powers posted many marvelous photos of us during Cabinet Construction class.

 
Door and drawer class, Lebanon, IN, April 2011

Here’s what we covered, faux raised panel doors, flat panel “Shaker style” doors, cope and stick doors with raised panel and drawer boxes.  To date none of the classes have gotten to drawer fronts.  We probably would have had the time but we elected to spend time checking out some of the new tools like the Carvex, Kapex stand, CXS, Shinex and some other things.

We also talked about calculating for full, half and inset doors, measuring rails, stiles and panels for cope and stick doors, also drawer boxes.  Everything was made in pairs so each person in the two man teams could work on and complete each “project”.  Each team had their own work area with a MFT/3, Kapex, WCR workcenter, CT vac and full complement of power tools.

 
I don’t remember the exact order we did things but here’s what I recall.

Day one, like all classes we started off with introductions and went over the agenda for the class.  This was fairly short and we went right into workspace and got started.  Most of the guys in our class were experienced and Festool trainer Brian Sedgeley didnt need to offer much input for us to get going.  We needed to glue up a couple of panels to raise later on day two.  First thing we did was use the TS55 and MFT/3 to make a jointing pass to make the pieces ready for glue up.  For those of you not familiar with the process, take two boards butt the edges together and run the saw down the joint.  This makes perfect edges for glue up.  Our pieces meet with a few Bessey clamps later and we moved on to faux raised panel doors.  

The faux raised panel is not my favorite type of door.   I think the only reason to cover this type of door is for the students to get some hands on time with the MFS router template system.  Brian talked about sizing for full overlay doors and we made two panels out of MDF core melamine with our trusty MFT/TS55 combo.  Again, everyone had seen the MFS before in our class so we didn’t spend much time going over how to use, Brian talked about what dimensions to make the faux panel, handed us our plunge bits and we got to work with the layout.  We were left to our own devices to figure out how to calculate the size and clamp everything down.  Brian was making the rounds to make sure everyone was on the right track.  I believe we used the OF1400 router.  Both of our doors turned out perfectly.  

Next for our faux raised panel doors we used the LR32 system to drill for the 35mm hinge cups.  Brian went over how to setup the LR32 for this process and then we tried our hand at it.  We used the OF1010 for this task.

The next thing for this door was profiling the edges.  It was a two step process, first beveling the inside of the door with a chamfer bit then we used the 30 degree round over bit (with the angled bearing part # 491135) to rout the top side of the edges.  These two profiles made a finger pull style profile.  I wouldn’t use this two step process for this profile, I’d use another brand bit that could make the profile in a single pass.  It was nice to get to try it out though.

With the faux raised panel doors completed we moved on to the flat panel doors.  The idea was to have a very simple way to make this style door.  Brian talked about the concept and how to size these doors to be inset.  We started by making the rails and stiles.  Then we used the MFK700 with edge guide to rout a 6mm groove in the edge of each piece to receive the 6mm ply for the flat panel.  We ran the groove all the way through the stiles, this means the the groove would show through the top and bottom of the door when assembled.  Brian had a solution for that and I’ll get to it shortly.  We then used the Domino to join the rails and stiles; the TS55 to cut our panels and then we glued the doors up.  This wrapped up day one.

Day two started with the last steps for our flat panel doors.  As I mentioned we had a the grooves exposed on the top and bottom of ours doors and Brian had a trick to take care of this, cut a Domino mortise and plug the mortise with a Domino tenon, then cut it flush.  We used the Sipo tenons to contrast our pine rails and stiles.   A little finish sanding with the RO90 and the doors were done.  Check out the illustration below.
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I can’t see a cabinet shop doing it this but for the novice or jobsite carpenter this could work out nicely.  I like the idea of being able to hand a lesser skilled guy a cut list and put him to work with this technique for field expedient doors.  I might use a table saw to cut the groove instead of a router, that way you’d only need a table saw and Domino.

A good part of day two was spent on cope and stick doors with raised panels.  We were all excited to get to check out the CMS.  Brian spent some time going over the CMS and answering all our questions.  Then we milled our cope and stick profiles with the CMS with the OF1400 installed.  Then we raised the panels with CMS with OF2200.  I think it would be an understatement to say we were all impressed with the CMS.  The dust collection was great and the sliding table was awesome.

The last thing we covered was drawer boxes.  Brian talked about sizing the box and little bit about hardware, and then we were turned loose.  Brian had made ½” drawer stock for us so we just needed to cut it to the right lengths, cut plywood bottoms and Domino everything together.  For one box we used the 4mm tenons to make a regular drawer box.  The second box had 5mm through tenons.

Throughout the class we got to use a wide array of Festool tools and accessories.  Seeing the Festool system at work for real world applications is something most guys can learn something from but I think novice wood workers, onsite carpenters and anyone with limited shop space might get the most out this class.  Another great thing about these classes is the ability of the trainer(s) to adapt each class to meet the skills of the participants.  Also the trainers are willing to make changes to accommodate (within reason) what the students want to see.  Like I said in the beginning we asked to spent time checking out stuff outside the scope of the class.  We played around with the RO150, Shinex and the Festool polishes on a piece of solid surface, got to use the turbo suction brush, CXS, the new C12 and C15 drills.  Brian demoed the Kapex stand and planer in its stand, we played with the Carvex jigsaws for a while.  At the end of each class Festool asks for feedback on how they might improve the classes.  

A few other things to look forward to if you go out to the headquarters in Lebanon are a tour of the facility and meeting the Festool staff.  In both the Henderson and Lebanon locations lunch is provided both days and dinner on the night of day one.  Depending on availability, you might get a free tee shirt and/or safety glasses.  It’s hard to beat that for 150 clams.        
 
I'm actually a little surprised that videos of large parts of these sessions are not put online (or are they ?).  Since a lot of the methods would seem to be Festool-centric, that would seem to be a great way to sell people on the merits of the system.  I don't know how much, if at all, the classes are profitable, but classes where people travel at some expense seem like preaching to the choir.  There would still be considerable value in being present at a class, but I'd think video would sell a lot of tools.
 
NuggyBuggy said:
I'm actually a little surprised that videos of large parts of these sessions are not put online (or are they ?).  Since a lot of the methods would seem to be Festool-centric, that would seem to be a great way to sell people on the merits of the system.  I don't know how much, if at all, the classes are profitable, but classes where people travel at some expense seem like preaching to the choir.  There would still be considerable value in being present at a class, but I'd think video would sell a lot of tools.

I'm sure Festool doesn't make a dime on these classes, at least not directly.  I'm sure there are some subsequent sales but that really isn't the focus of the classes.

Let's please not start the video debate here in this thread.  That subject has been beaten to death in other threads. [dead horse]
 
Thank you Carroll and Brice for those very descriptive posts.  I had a funny feeling we would be hearing from you right away, Carroll.  [big grin]  Glad to have your input!

I'm sure many members and non-members will find this information so far extremely valuable and as a side note, it might wind up making some sales for Festool and increasing the desire for training classes.

I'd welcome anyone elses info from the classes if they have anything to add.  [thanks]
 
greg mann said:
Brice Burrell said:
I've been really busy lately but I'm getting things under control now so I might have some time to write some details about the recent door and drawer class.

Well after tonight, when Yzermen's TB Lightning oust the Pens, you'll have even more time available. ;D

HEY NOW!  [unsure]
 
Thanks for the descriptions Carrol and Brice.

Except for some minor differences in sequence, Carrol's description of the Cabinet Construction class in Henderson in November could be applied to our  Cabinet Construction class in Lebanon in April.

I am sure that Festool does not make any direct money from these classes, they might even take a loss.  But, I bet that the resulting sales direct from educated woodworkers as well as indirect sales resulting from the recommendations of these same woodworkers more than justify Festool's expense and effort to conduct these great classes.  If you can possibly go to one, do so.
 
RonWen said:
greg mann said:
Brice Burrell said:
I've been really busy lately but I'm getting things under control now so I might have some time to write some details about the recent door and drawer class.

Well after tonight, when Yzermen's TB Lightning oust the Pens, you'll have even more time available. ;D

HEY NOW!  [unsure]

Yup.  [poke]
 
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