Milwaukee 9.0ah battery coming soon.

Locks14

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This is interesting. Milwaukee are in the process of releasing a 9ah battery that the claim due to cooling will perform more like a 10ah in so much as it will actually give twice the runtime of their current 5ah.

I wouldn't want this thing hanging off my impact driver due to its weight, but on an 18v or (2 x 18v) 36v tracksaw, mitre saw, cordless vac, grinder, etc it could be a bit of a game changer.
 
And a pic as we all love pics  [big grin]

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Bit of a beast.
 
kinda cools they skipped the 6,7 and 8ah and went straight for 9 lol
 
Locks14 said:
This is interesting. Milwaukee are in the process of releasing a 9ah battery that the claim due to cooling will perform more like a 10ah in so much as it will actually give twice the runtime of their current 5ah.

I wouldn't want this thing hanging off my impact driver due to its weight, but on an 18v or (2 x 18v) 36v tracksaw, mitre saw, cordless vac, grinder, etc it could be a bit of a game changer.

Game changer for who?

Unless one doesn't want to take 20 seconds to change the battery, I do not see how it saves much time?
 
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate. The real evolution will be when they manage to keep the same weight and volume for a 10Ah as for a current 3Ah, now they basically double the capacity by making it twice as big.  [huh]
 
This would be exciting to me if it was any other manufactuer than Milwaukee.

Myself and a number of co workers have had problems with our M18 fuel batteries.

Across the board we all experiance the same issue regardless of tool the battery is in. The tools just work intermittently. Somethimes you pull the trigger and it works fine. Other times you oull the trigger and the tool opperates for seconds then shuts down for a couple seconds then will fire up for a few seconds so on and so forth. Sometimes the tools work fine all day or for days on end.

I need a new drill and impact driver and have been sitting on the fence of purchasing a set. I have been getting by with my CXS and Milwakee crap when it works.

I really am not feeling switching my whole tool lineup over to another manufactuer unless its Festool. Then im not feeling spending $625 on the T-18 plus set.

I just wish my Milwaukee stuff worked as it should. It was sweet for a year the batteries lasted forever and the power was great. The tools are also tough as nails. But my case is not isolated so lets hope Bosch and Dewalqt and Makitta hop aboard the 10ah train.
 
I hacked into Festool Germany and guess what's they're working on...

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Iceclimber said:
This would be exciting to me if it was any other manufactuer than Milwaukee.

Myself and a number of co workers have had problems with our M18 fuel batteries.

Across the board we all experiance the same issue regardless of tool the battery is in. The tools just work intermittently. Somethimes you pull the trigger and it works fine. Other times you oull the trigger and the tool opperates for seconds then shuts down for a couple seconds then will fire up for a few seconds so on and so forth. Sometimes the tools work fine all day or for days on end.

I need a new drill and impact driver and have been sitting on the fence of purchasing a set. I have been getting by with my CXS and Milwakee crap when it works.

I really am not feeling switching my whole tool lineup over to another manufactuer unless its Festool. Then im not feeling spending $625 on the T-18 plus set.

I just wish my Milwaukee stuff worked as it should. It was sweet for a year the batteries lasted forever and the power was great. The tools are also tough as nails. But my case is not isolated so lets hope Bosch and Dewalqt and Makitta hop aboard the 10ah train.

Man, That's a bummer to hear. I've  beat the hell out of my M18 Fuel stuff and they work like champs. Same with my M12 stuff. I have quite a few friends who have gone the Red route because of my happiness with those two lines. :/

I'm guessing the new big battery is geared for the Roto-Hammers, bandsaw, etc. of the M18 line. I wouldn't want that big ass thing on my impact driver!
 
My M18 batteries work great, takes forever to run them down. And they're "only" 4.0aH.
 
KBJ said:
Iceclimber said:
This would be exciting to me if it was any other manufactuer than Milwaukee.

Myself and a number of co workers have had problems with our M18 fuel batteries.

Across the board we all experiance the same issue regardless of tool the battery is in. The tools just work intermittently. Somethimes you pull the trigger and it works fine. Other times you oull the trigger and the tool opperates for seconds then shuts down for a couple seconds then will fire up for a few seconds so on and so forth. Sometimes the tools work fine all day or for days on end.

I need a new drill and impact driver and have been sitting on the fence of purchasing a set. I have been getting by with my CXS and Milwakee crap when it works.

I really am not feeling switching my whole tool lineup over to another manufactuer unless its Festool. Then im not feeling spending $625 on the T-18 plus set.

I just wish my Milwaukee stuff worked as it should. It was sweet for a year the batteries lasted forever and the power was great. The tools are also tough as nails. But my case is not isolated so lets hope Bosch and Dewalqt and Makitta hop aboard the 10ah train.

Man, That's a bummer to hear. I've  beat the heck out of my M18 Fuel stuff and they work like champs. Same with my M12 stuff. I have quite a few friends who have gone the Red route because of my happiness with those two lines. :/

I'm guessing the new big battery is geared for the Roto-Hammers, bandsaw, etc. of the M18 line. I wouldn't want that big  thing on my impact driver!

Same for me. I've put my M18/Fuel tools through some seriously hard work and they're yet to miss a beat.
 
Locks14 said:
Same for me. I've put my M18/Fuel tools through some seriously hard work and they're yet to miss a beat.

I've thought alot about this situation for the last 18 months and have really decided to focus on only 2 battery platforms when going forwards, Festool for the CXS, (a bastard child but loveable never the less) the C 15 and TSC 55. A battery operated Carvex would fill in this grouping nicely at some later date, but I already have the corded version.

For all the rest, I will purchase cordless tools from the Milwaukee M18 Fuel program. They have the largest selection available, and in spite of being made in China (which I hate), have been bullet proof when they are asked to perform their designated tasks. The Fuel versions have performed flawlessly and have been easy on battery power. I have no issues with the Milwaukee Fuel offerings. I just wish they were manufactured somewhere else where the employees were actually appreciated rather than depreciated and eventually...sold for fodder.
 
Timtool said:
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate. The real evolution will be when they manage to keep the same weight and volume for a 10Ah as for a current 3Ah, now they basically double the capacity by making it twice as big.  [huh]

[member=10829]Timtool[/member]

So you saying its a 18V 9Ah  Fattery  [wink]
 
Timtool said:
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate.

It's really application specific. In the case of using the larger battery for the Milwaukee magnetic drills, it really doesn't make any difference. The battery is captured by the framework of the magnetic drill and the weight increase is fully supported by the magnetic drill. The same condition exists with the HOLE HAWG®. The potential weight problems exist with small equipment such as drills, small saws and the like. For larger equipment...das macht nichts...
 
Timtool said:
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate. The real evolution will be when they manage to keep the same weight and volume for a 10Ah as for a current 3Ah, now they basically double the capacity by making it twice as big.  [huh]

Have a look at Metabo's LiHD batteries. They claim their 5.2Ah LiHD batteries have the same runtime as 8Ah Li-ion batteries and the compact 3.1Ah LiHD batteries compare to 5Ah Li-ion batteries.

https://www.metabo.com/com/en/info/news/highlights/lihd-battery-pack-technology/
 
Timtool said:
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate. The real evolution will be when they manage to keep the same weight and volume for a 10Ah as for a current 3Ah, now they basically double the capacity by making it twice as big.  [huh]

There's more to it, actually, it's the same reason why 10-cell (normal sized) packs can handle more amps than the 5-cell compact packs.

18v is achieved with 5 cells in series, the compact cells are a single bank, meaning a 20 amp draw total draw at 18v nominal is a 20 amp draw on all 5 cells. In a normal sized pack, a 20 amp draw at 18v nominal is split across two banks of 5 cells, making the amp draw per cell 10 amps. In a 3x5 cell configuration, the amp draw is 6.667A/cell.

This is advantageous mostly because the cells perform better at a lower draw. As the amps drawn per cell goes up, the lower the voltage drops given the same charge level and same battery condition. i.e. If you hit a cell with 10A when fully topped off, you'll usually see 3.7v, whereas the same cell will put out 3.9v at 5A. This means your overall net consumption will be lower, since the batteries are not pushed at hard to achieve the same performance.

The other advantage is since cells can only be pushed to a specific amp draw, it can support higher draw equipment split amongst more cells.

As jonathan posted, there's another way to solve this, which is with cells that have lower internal resistance, and huge endplanes to handle the amp load, as Metabo have done. It splits the difference between the gigantor pack that Milwaukee decided upon, versus the standard 2x5 cell config we've all come to known.
 
jonathan-m said:
Timtool said:
I guess this would be nice so more power hungry tools can be used with as decent battery life as we have been getting from drills.
Otherwise i don't see the point, Li has allowed to make cordless tools so much lighter and easier to operate. The real evolution will be when they manage to keep the same weight and volume for a 10Ah as for a current 3Ah, now they basically double the capacity by making it twice as big.  [huh]

Have a look at Metabo's LiHD batteries. They claim their 5.2Ah LiHD batteries have the same runtime as 8Ah Li-ion batteries and the compact 3.1Ah LiHD batteries compare to 5Ah Li-ion batteries.

https://www.metabo.com/com/en/info/news/highlights/lihd-battery-pack-technology/

I thought that Amp-Hours was a unit of energy.
(Or Watt-hours), which implies the Volts are known.
 
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