Modifying the HL 850 Angle Stop or Fence to allow for back-beveling

Dan Clark

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This tutorial covers modifying the HL 850 Angle Stop or Fence to allow it to be used for back-beveling.  The text and pictures were provided by Mark at Festool and sent to us by Christian O at Bob Marino's request.  With their permission, I converted and posted this as a FOG tutorial.

Regards,

Dan.

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The Festool HL 850 fence comes factory set at 90 degrees. In order to use the HL850 for door hanging it is necessary to modify the fence for back-beveling. 

The following is a brief description on how that can be achieved.

You will note that on the HL 850 Angle Stop base -- the part that attaches to the HL 850 -- there is a set screw which is factory set at ninety degrees. The first thing that you must do is back this screw out:
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You will need a Torx15 driver to do so, one that has a shaft which is long enough to reach the screw head which is located down the circular shaft of the base:
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I used a Torx 15 bit with a five inch shaft to reach the adjustment screw.  You will need all of that to get to it.  If you cannot find a cordless bit long enough, Torx hand drivers are fairly common.    I back it out till it is just flush with the edge of the base plate:
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Next you will need to relieve material from the support arm or brace on the angle stop. You do not want to remove too much as this will compromise its strength. I mark the amount I want to remove with a permanent marker, which is about half the thickness of the material at the end:
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Here is what it should look like when completed. The modified support arm is on the right:
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I use a Dremel-like tool with a tungsten-carbide cutter which is a carving and engraving bit. You will want to turn the speed down to about half way. You can also use a structured-tooth tungsten carbide cutter. I followed up with one of these to smooth the edges of my cut. Check for sharp edges and finish with a file if necessary. Remember that the metal on the support arm is soft, so take your time, and avoid costly mistakes:
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Next apply a slick strip along the fence to reduce friction and prevent the fence from marring the edge of the door. The slick strip that I use is three-inch wide adhesive-backed plastic film that fits perfectly. I place it flush along the top edge, so that all I have to do is trim the bottom. This can be done with a sharp pocket knife or utility knife:
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Now you are ready to Use your HL 850 as a door planer. You will see from the photo that with the modifications we have made you can achieve a back bevel of greater than five degrees. I generally back bevel two degrees. You can use a gauge block cut accurately on a miter saw to set your bevel:
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Hey Dan, looks great.  Post a link over at JLC and you'll have lots of friends.
Guess I'm going to have to put down the DOMINO for a bit.
Brent
 
Brent,

Thanks.  I'm waiting for Mark Kalin's direct review.  When he gives me the thumbs up, I'll post a link on the JLC site.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Dan,
  I'm confused why one would do this to the angle gage ???. Could you explain the benefits a little more? It seems like you could just set the fence to two degrees off 90 (fence tipped away from plane) and ride it on the other side of the door.
  I don't own a HL850 (yet ::)) so maybe I am missing something. But with the modification you loose the preset 90 which seems like a nice feature.
Mike
 
Mike,

On the Journal of Light Construction, people were interested in Gary Katz's custom-modified HL850 planer:http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36228&highlight=Festool.  Bob Marino contacted Festool to see if they could provide the instructions.  Festool sent the instructions to Bob, who asked me to convert it to a tutorial for the forum.  Bob then posted on the JLC Finish Carpentry forum; his post includeded a link to this tutorial on FOG. 

The target audience is the JLC forum.  They have some special needs and we're helping out.  Apparently Festool is becoming a known entity among a lot more pros, including the Gary Katz - the moderator on the JLC Finish Carpentry forum:http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7.

Gary has written several books and articles on finish carpentry, including an article in the current issue of Fine Homebuilding Magazine.  Here's a link to his article:http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques/flatscreen_mantelpiece.htm.  This article is VERY, VERY detailed with no less than 77 drawings and pictures.  (You'll see a TS55 and guide rail in the article!)

Quite frankly, I'm very impressed with Gary's work.  His articles are well written and he illustrates his work with high quality Sketchup drawings.  In many cases, he goes into the theory and history of the designs that he is creating.    There is a lot of good, practical information about finish carpentry and woodworking on his site:http://www.garymkatz.com.  Look under "Tips and Techniques" for several dozen articles.  Check out his reviews including a Domino review (I think he's a fan).

Regards,

Dan.

p.s., I'm pretty sure my HL850 will remain "unmodified".
 
Mike, a certain method of hanging a door, as I understand it, geared towards volume productivity, has the carpenter scribing the door in place to the jamb, removing the scribed door, and planing down the door with a back bevel following the scribe line and adjusting the depth of cut with the depth of cut control (however that may be configured.  The favored tool for this has always been the Porter Cable 9118 porta plane; a beast of a planer that allows beveling in both directions.  I've always though this planer was very awkward and have resisted shelling out the $430 for it, instead, using my little makita without a fence and praying to the Patron Saint Joseph for guidance.  The festool planer, unable to bevel in both directions obscures the scribe line as it is marked in this method because the fence rides over the scribe line.  With the back bevel you can run the fence on the side of the door opposite the scribe line.  The preset is nice but if your a pro carpenter (hence forth referred to as carpenter) and more specifically hanging your own doors and even more specifically trimming a twenty unit condo, being able to have the back bevel is a necessity unless you want to get rid of the fence and freehand which often times yields uneven bevel angles.  I will be modifying my fence but I need to carve a little time out to devote.  The 90 degree can be set easily enough.
Yeah Dan, Gary is the MAN!  He's doing more for the finish carpentry industry than anyone I know of.  I could go on but anyone who's serious about being a carpenter in the modern world should be aware of his methodology, merely from the standpoint of efficiency and production, which ultimately translates into profit, which translates into viability, which translates into sending paying for your kids college.
Brent
 
  OK, thanks Brent, I get it now. The fence hides the scribe mark. Gary is great. I took one of his seminars here in Rochester. Nice tutorial Dan. Be careful not to post on JLC unless you earn your $$$ in the trades, :o they'll bite your leg off.
Mike
 
 
Regarding Gary, have you seen the Sketchup book case tutorial that he posted this morning?  Go here:http://www.garymkatz.com/recent_articles.html, then click the "Sketchup Tutorial: ".  Overall, it's an excellent tutorial.  But the two minutes or so that he spent on the Follow-Me tool is the best explanation I've seen. 

What's even better is that the subject is a bookcase - something that both woodworkers and finish carpenters can relate to and apppreciate. 

Check it out.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Mike, I should of guessed by your avatar picture that I could have shaved 300 words from that description.  Hides the scribe line.
I'm new to this forum thing.
 
Bret,
  No, it was a very good description. I tried Gary's way of scribing a door from the inside and didn't have much luck with it. I don't hang many doors, so I don't really need a production set up. I generally make a template of the opening out of 1/4" plywood rips and trace it on the door(the side the door swings too?). Then you can see the line with the angle guide in place.
  I recently saw this in an article somewhere(JLC or FHB?) but I used to repair boats and we made patterns for everything (no right angles,levels don't work either).
  I might try Gary's method again but I have to make one of those spring hook door holder contraptions ;D.
Mike
 
Brent b said:
Mike, a certain method of hanging a door, as I understand it, geared towards volume productivity, has the carpenter scribing the door in place to the jamb, removing the scribed door, and planing down the door with a back bevel following the scribe line and adjusting the depth of cut with the depth of cut control (however that may be configured.  The favored tool for this has always been the Porter Cable 9118 porta plane; a beast of a planer that allows beveling in both directions.  I've always though this planer was very awkward and have resisted shelling out the $430 for it, instead, using my little makita without a fence and praying to the Patron Saint Joseph for guidance.  The festool planer, unable to bevel in both directions obscures the scribe line as it is marked in this method because the fence rides over the scribe line.  With the back bevel you can run the fence on the side of the door opposite the scribe line.  The preset is nice but if your a pro carpenter (hence forth referred to as carpenter) and more specifically hanging your own doors and even more specifically trimming a twenty unit condo, being able to have the back bevel is a necessity unless you want to get rid of the fence and freehand which often times yields uneven bevel angles.  I will be modifying my fence but I need to carve a little time out to devote.  The 90 degree can be set easily enough.
Yeah Dan, Gary is the MAN!  He's doing more for the finish carpentry industry than anyone I know of.  I could go on but anyone who's serious about being a carpenter in the modern world should be aware of his methodology, merely from the standpoint of efficiency and production, which ultimately translates into profit, which translates into viability, which translates into sending paying for your kids college.
Brent

You guys would have died if you saw this method> 
I had just started my own Mason Contractng Biz in the mid '50's.  I took on a developer of rather risky reputation to keep me going til i could build a stronger base of quality customers.  His carpentry was being done by a crew of Swedish "carpenters" who were, to say the least, very fast.  Their lead carpenter was also their door hanger.  He would get his marks, a series of dash lines drawn with pencil along the edge of the door, tip the door on its side and attack with a razor sharp hatchet.  It took only seconds to trim an edge.  i don't know how many doors he could hang in a day, but I remember seeing huge piles of them being deliverd to the job.  he would do several houses in a day.  I later knew some people who bought some of those houses and they could not believe their dors had been trimmed with a hatchet.  Of course, when they discovered so many other problems with their houses, they began to believe just about anything i told them i had seen.
Tinker
 
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