Need Water Heater. Beware, bad experience I don't want this happen to you (long)

fidelfs

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Hi all,

I don't initiate post much but this time I think I will do it.

I bought my house brand new in 2000 in Houston, TX.  Ryland followed all of the building codes at the time.  You know builders; they install a lot of the utilities builder grade (not the best quality).  My water heater was on its last leg last year.  I decided to go to the Home Depot (HD) and bought a new GE gas water heater, with 12 year warranty (yeah, right?) and cost me about $600.00 and I paid close to $600 more to install it in my attic.  I know, I know, the installation was a rip off but I thought this way I will have HD to back the product on all angles. Covering all of my bases? or so I thought.

That was in 11/2008, I don't remember the exact day.  2 weeks later I experienced the first problem.  I took a bath at night (remember November it is very pleasant in Texas at night) there was no hot water, just warm water. The next morning I got hot water again.  I thought maybe the washer was on or the dishwasher was washing a load, so I didn't follow up.

This happened again 2 or 3 weeks later in December at night (Again December is chilly at night in Texas) and it has happened ever since that moment. 
I can say I am a lazy guy so I didn't follow up again.

One day in May/2009 (l still have the one full year warranty) I didn't have any hot water.  It was a cold awakening when I took that bath early that morning.  I went to the attic and the pilot light was off.  I lit it and I said ok this could happen at any moment in time, so it?s no big deal. Then, later that very same day, when it was time for my nightly shower, no hot water.
I went to the attic and lit it again.

I called HD customer service and they told me they don't handle the warranty so I had to call GE.  Big surprise, I didn't expect HD to get that low.
Well, I called GE and I had the most obnoxious and rude customer service rep.  He said that they had so many complaints about water heaters and attic installation.  The problem is the water heater cannot draw enough oxygen and that is an environmental problem and was not covered by the warranty.  I explained to him that I don't think that is the problem because the issue arose in November and the attic was cool.  (Remember I said November is pleasant in Texas  ;D )  He said they don't care, and they cannot do anything.  I requested service and he said they would charge me for that.
They diagnosed without even looking at the equipment.  I am happy I am not dealing with GE medical because I could very well die with the way they diagnose problems. :P
I refused and called HD again.

I called the Atlanta headquarters, they sent a technician from Delta mechanics (GE authorized installer, that works with HD ).  He said GE knows they are having problems but they are refusing to retro fit the hot waters with a high altitude valve to get more oxygen. The Federal mandates placed by the government to the manufacturers state that their products must be more efficient so the new water heaters now don't have the front panel access. It is now sealed so you cannot access it. The problem is, the new attics are really tight and in Texas (and other southern states) they are hot and there is not enough oxygen. I still have my doubts about that being the problem because the problem began in Nov/08.

Well, after several calls and cold showers, they denied the warranty claim again.  The only way I can have the hot water is to set the water heater above 140 degrees, which is illegal in Texas (That is what the technician told me). They are not allowed to set the water heater hotter that ambient temperature.  I, as a homeowner, can do it, but it?s still not a safe practice.

The model is SG50T12AVH00 BRAND GE and sold exclusively by HD. The technician told me all tank water heaters are having this problem (all the manufacturers).  They need to retro fit with a high altitude valve to fix the problem but they have to recall nationwide or at least Texas wide and they don't want to do it.

I found GE and HD have multiple complaints (www.complaint.com, http://www.thetankatwaterheaterrescue.com/forums/forum3/1310.html  and others).  The first complaint was in 2003 and they are not doing anything so far.

Now, I have to buy a new one and I am unemployed since 3/2009 (IT Business), so I cannot afford it.  Beware, and make your research.
 
Sorry about your water heater problem,and thanks for the info.

I never liked GE,and their customer service is hopeless.
 
I'm having a problem understanding how this is happening (and i don't care for GE either).  There is as much oxygen in your attic as there is in your house (unless your attic is up at 12,000ft ;D).  Are there no soffit or gable or ridge vents?  If not, you've got big problems as your roof will be the next thing you need to replace.  A high temp in your attic has no effect on the oxygen level either.  It's reasonable to expect the water heater to operate to spec within the warranty period.  If it's not your fault or a faulty install then they need to man up and take care of it because they have a faulty and potentially dangerous product.  Call them back and don't accept a no from someone who isn't authorised to say yes.  Work up the ladder.  If you strike out, call the Consumer Bulldog at your local TV station and see how much they can do.  A malfunctioning gas burning appliance in a remote part of your house is a big safety concern.  Hopefully it will go up and not down if it blows.
 
That is what I tried to explain everybody at GE and HD.  It is not the oxygen is the water heater design.
My logic says this: If I have the water heater below 140 lets say 120 it won't stay lit. At 140 it will stay on forever. I suspect is the design not letting enough gas getting there.  I told HD customer care and the local store manager that I am not planning to loose 1000 dollars just because they say no.  I told them I will be the worst nightmare they have seen it, not doing anything crazy but reaching out to federal institutions, newspapers, TV, Internet, friends, etc.

I emailed all the TV in the Houston Area and Channel 2 contacted me this afternoon.  She called HD but she only got the voice mail.  She will call tomorrow.  I filed a complaint to BBB houston and they forwarded to BBB Atlanta. 

My house has soffit, gable and ridge vents, I even opened the attic door, so it has a big air flow. 
 
Fidel:

Many years ago, when I lived in Houston, there was a local news station that had a show with "MARVIN ZINDLER". I thought the man was a little ridiculous but his consumer advocacy was spot on... I seem to remember it was on channel 13, "Eyewitness News". 'Funny how that guy has such a permanent spot in my memory. I think Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon learned everything he knew from Marvin Zindler's plastic surgeon.

Zindler used to work for Harris County as the consumer advocate and was immortalized in the movies, theater, and song for what he did in La Grange, which was not his jurisdiction, (The Littlest Whorehouse in Texas & ZZ Top's La Grange) Uh huh haw haw...

I think he left this vale of tears many moons ago but the TV station tried to continue his consumer advocacy. I really don't know what has happened in that realm the last 15-20 years because I haven't been there but it should be a good place to start.

It sounds like you already have everything under control and will soon yield results and I'm just reminiscing.

Tom
 
I know this won't help you at all, but I have found often times that if you play REALLY dumb, you usually can get a warranty fix. You know, when they started asking about your water heater in the attic, I would of acted like I wasn't even sure what it looked like, and mention HD installed it. The less they know the better. They was ready to deny that claim without any investigation, they just needed an excuse, and your attic install was what they needed. Make them send a tech out themselves, and when he/she gets there, offer them a Coke. It sometimes works well, but then if not you still have the route in which you are already taking. Good luck!
 
I tried that, being dumb, it didn't take much effort  ;D

They sent the tech, and he sided with me.  He requested the equipment to be changed but Homedepot denies they received any notification.
When the HD manager called me, he said he didn't hear from the tech. I made a 3way call conference and called the tech and I asked him the same question with the manager in the other line.  Finally, the manager admitted the tech talked to him but he cannot do anything.
When I called HD consumer care they said there is no record any tech came to my home.  This is how LOW home depot handles the warranties.

They are trying to send another tech but this time it will cost me. I said NO!

 
Thats amazing! I HATE liars. I would of blowed up at him. It's one thing to play a game, but play it fair, want to lie about it is a whole other problem. Sorry about you luck, and keep pressing on about it. Times as tough as they are today, you got to make every dollar count, and don't let them take advantage of you. I'll boycot the HD here for ya(I never go there anyway).
 
Tom,

Marvin Zindler was a local Hero in Houston.  All Houston were sad when he passed away of Pancreatic cancer.
I have also send the info to channel 13 but not response as of yet, but the July 4th weekend is not helping, everybody has a long weekend.

I bet, next week my phone won't stop ringing. 

Thanks,

Fidel

P.S. pictures showing Marvin Zindler at different times.

Marvin Zindler
 
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