New 1400 router switch lock keeps turning off on Router Table

[Woodcarver62]

I have a new festool 1400 router and installed it under the Festool router table and I'm using the Festool switch on the side of the router table.  The Router table is plugged into the Festool vacuum outlet so that the vac starts automatically.    I have squeezed the trigger on the router and pushed the green lock button for the switch.  The problem is I can get the router started and run for a while but it shuts off 10-20 seconds - the green lock button does not stay engaged and the switch pops into the off position.  It appears to be a mechanical issue.

What should I do to correct this?

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Since it is new, I would take it back to the dealer where you bought it. They should offer you are replacement. Assuming that you are in the US, you have 30 days to return it, with "no questions asked" so you should be able to do that and just get a different unit, from their stock.
If, for some reason, this is no longer an option, I would send it in for warranty repair. They are far more likely to get it right, and keep your warranty intact.

As a side note. I have never heard of this issue. Mine has never done that. Even though mine isn't in a table, I still use the trigger lock extensively.

 

[FestitaMakool]

You probably have a European model, right? (US members chime in if your newest toys are acting the same)

New or revised models have a protection circuit that disables the inlet power if there’s a power break.
The switch on the Festool table has this built in (No Voltage Relay, NVR switch) the same is now built in the tool itself. Both working against each other.. Happy days.. [crying] (This was apparently a case as you COULD bypass the NVR switch and connect your tool directly to an always on outlet.)

Though, if you turn on the router after pressing the on switch on the table, you should be able to run it and turn it off by the safer and easier to reach off switch on the table..

Or if annoyed, get an older router to place in the table..

This was also discussed here:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-announcements/cms-discontinued/msg584775/#msg584775

 

[peter halle]

[member=82994]Woodcarver62[/member]      That router is acting correctly.  The newer models will not work "properly" in a router table with a remote on off switch.  You can have the router table switch ON and then operate the router switch on and lock it.  To turn off you can either operate the switch on the router or use the router table switch.  If other words you really are operating the router at the tool handle switch and the router table switch is an emergency stop.  I verified this with Festool Sedge a few months ago because I was thinking about getting another router instead of my older 1400 for dedicated table usage.

Peteer

 

[bobtskutter]

NVR systems work with RELAYS inside the starting mechanism.  The OP says their OF1400 runs for 10-20 seconds then the MECHANICAL LOCK on the trigger disengages.  This is not how a normal NVR system operates.  Normally an NVR prevents the tool being restarted, it does not allow the tool to run for 10-20 seconds then turn it off.

This really sounds like a broken trigger switch to me.

Bob

 

[mino]

[member=82994]Woodcarver62[/member]      That router is acting correctly.  The newer models will not work "properly" in a router table with a remote on off switch.  You can have the router table switch ON and then operate the router switch on and lock it.  To turn off you can either operate the switch on the router or use the router table switch.  If other words you really are operating the router at the tool handle switch and the router table switch is an emergency stop.  I verified this with Festool Sedge a few months ago because I was thinking about getting another router instead of my older 1400 for dedicated table usage.

Peteer

Are you sure about that .. the OP states that his issue is *not* the NVR but the (mechanical) behaviour of the trigger:
I can get the router started and run for a while but it shuts off 10-20 seconds - the green lock button does not stay engaged ..

As CRG stated, that is *not* normal. If it is under warranty, raise a claim for a fix/repair/replace. If it is not under warranty anymore, either send it off to repair or get the switch assembly part and replace it if feeling like it (see Festool eKat). It is indeed a mechanical thing. There is no electronic or other magic involved in locking the switch in the "on" position.

*) As mentioned, the NVR makes a tool not turn on after it was turned off by a power cut-off. It is active when the switch is kept in the "on" position when power is cut. Its purpose is to be an independent safety that cannot be disabled intentionaly or by accident.

EDIT: bobtskutter beat me to it ..

 

[peter halle]

The OP can certainly send the router off to Festool, but he wrote that it was new and that it was exhibiting this issue while trying to operate it in the 1400.  I was told that the latest models (I am not sure exactly when the change happened) will not operate in the CMS here in the US.  I was told that I could operate it manually at the tool and use the on/off switch at the tool as a shutoff switch.  I admit I didn't ask if it would come on for a few seconds and then shut off. 

The easiest test is to see if it is a mechanical trigger lock issue would be to see if it will lock on when not connected thru the router table and run continuously.  I would actually try this using an extension cord (not thru a CT).  Then unplug it and plug it back in with the switch still locked and see what happens.  If it comes on for a short duration and then turns off I would call Festool and ask if that was normal.

If it doesn't lock on and run when hooked up as a stand alone tool then there is one issue.  If the other happens then there might be another or none at all.

Peter

I am trying to get a definitive answer as I write this and will post when I get one.

 

[squall_line]

It's "both and"...

There appears to be an issue with the mechanical trigger lock on the OP's 1400.

He can have it serviced to have that issue fixed.

THEN, when he gets it back, he will find that he can use the 1400 for longer than 10-20 seconds in the router table, but as soon as he uses the power switch on the table to turn off the router, he will need to reset the switch on the 1400 to get it working again, because of the NVR contacts in the trigger.

As an aside, as much as the NVR can be annoying, I popped a fresh battery into my Makita blower the other day and forgot that the switch was locked on.  I'm glad it had an NVR system built in because it saved me from having the blower drop out of my hands and damage the motor or battery.

 

[peter halle]

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I asked Brian Sedgeley of Festool plug in a current model 1400 into an extension cord and then turn it on and lock the trigger for continuous running.  He then unplugged the extension cord, the router stopped.  He plugged it back in and it did not start at all.

I would suggest that the original poster attempt to do the same and if it acts differently to contact Festool about the tool.

Peter

 

[Coen]

Yeah, new model router will not work nice in the CMS, but that was never the question asked here.

A new router can't smell it's under a CMS some regulatory body doesn't like, so from his description I would say the switch on his router is defective for overhead use.