New all electric car

Those looking at tankless heaters compare the Gas and Electric. The gas gives you more savings for the BTU than the electric does. You actually can get better value out of a new Hot water heater with a tank than tankless electric.

I would go Gas cooking, tankless water heater and electric for lights. Pellets for heating ,Maybe under ground for heating and cooling and Solar panels on the roof.  [big grin]

My 06 Avalanche gets 21.3 on the hwy and about 17 running around. Not bad for a truck .
 
It is cool it works for you.  I am very technologically inclined and understand the potential benefit to such cars.  It takes years and millions of dollars to create technology that completely removes gas from the equation, but I do have problems with all-electric cars.

I cannot pay the premium for the Leaf when I consider that just because I'm not paying for gas anymore doesn't necessarily mean that I wouldn't be paying years of gas costs up front with the sticker price of the car alone.  The MSRP of the Leaf is $36,050 and is no bigger than a Prius who itself is $23,000 MSRP.  Most people three years ago wouldn't keep a car more than what?, six or so years?  Lately, people are keeping cars longer to save money on being upside down or just to avoid a car payment entirely.  My truck will be twelve years old in a few days.  To me gas costs don't matter as much when I don't have to make a car payment or have for five years now.  I don't even need to keep full-coverage insurance to cover the truck for the lender.  Until all-electric cars cost as much as their equally sized gasoline dependent cousins then I feel that it will never catch on.
 
NoBreyner said:
It is cool it works for you.  I am very technologically inclined and understand the potential benefit to such cars.  It takes years and millions of dollars to create technology that completely removes gas from the equation, but I do have problems with all-electric cars.

I cannot pay the premium for the Leaf when I consider that just because I'm not paying for gas anymore doesn't necessarily mean that I wouldn't be paying years of gas costs up front with the sticker price of the car alone.  The MSRP of the Leaf is $36,050 and is no bigger than a Prius who itself is $23,000 MSRP.  Most people three years ago wouldn't keep a car more than what?, six or so years?  Lately, people are keeping cars longer to save money on being upside down or just to avoid a car payment entirely.  My truck will be twelve years old in a few days.  To me gas costs don't matter as much when I don't have to make a car payment or have for five years now.  I don't even need to keep full-coverage insurance to cover the truck for the lender.  Until all-electric cars cost as much as their equally sized gasoline dependent cousins then I feel that it will never catch on.
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I agree!  Also the cost of replacing batteries will have to drop as it would put alot of people of knowing they will have to after a few years spend thousands on a new  battery!  

I would like to see a possibilty of a battery station!    So instead of a petrol station storing gallons of petrol they store hunderededs of batteries.     You pay a monthly fee once you buy the electric car.

Any way you pull up to a battery station  you remove your emtpy (nearly emptry battery) and replace it with a fully charged one and away you go and you can do this as many times as you like.

Benefits:

Your car is instantly charged no need to wait 15 - 30  or more to charge your car

Empty batteries by the battery station get charged again and checked ready for the next customer after a few hours.

The company you pay to the monthly fees replaces worn and faulty batteries as they get checked so you as a customer always has a working battery.

You can drive as much as you like

No worries about a large bill to replace your worn out batteries as the battery station replacing them when needed.  Ofcourse they will be charging you this through your monthly or yearly bill but its alot smaller amounts and you know where you stand.

Probs more benefits but cant think of any more!

JMB
 
jmbfestool said:
I would like to see a possibilty of a battery station!    So instead of a petrol station storing gallons of petrol they store hunderededs of batteries.     You pay a monthly fee once you buy the electric car.

JMB
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The company Better Places http://www.betterplace.com/ is a company that has been doing juts that, battery swapping.
 
What a phenomenal business model.  If you include tax incentives to gas stations to install one bay for drive though, another incentive for the car buyer, and do a massive national rollout in a 12 month period, you could get enough momentum to make it comfortable for people to make the switch beyond those that are the initial trend setters alone. How cool would it be to pull up in your pickup, get 2 batteries swapped (more weight means more need but you also have more room for an additional battery since a 30 gallon gas tank in a pickup takes up a lot more room than a 10 gallon tank in a Mazda) and drive away.  You don't even have to get out of the vehicle!  Also the CEO I suspect could sell ice to an eskimo;  that guy is good.

Where do I sign up.  [thumbs up]
 
There have been recent breakthroughs in electro-magnetic fluids.  I can't find the link to the story I read a couple of weeks ago, but basically once you deplete the charge on your batteries, you can replace the fluid in them with recharged goo and be back at full charge - kind of like putting more fuel into your tank now.  So... if that approach can ever get some good traction, the local refueling station could pull electricity from the grid, wind turbines, solar power panels (etc.) and you'd be back on your way in a few minutes, just like now.

Maybe in 10-15 years it'll take hold.  I can see how it would be a particularly attractive business model for the large gas station chains.  Kilowatt hours for $0.249...
 
At 17 seconds in, you can see the C-shape in the frame- reflecting the C12 powering it.

Good design.
 
Wow! I've been thinking of a similar project for years, but far simpler.

With a low speed like that it could probably take a decent grade, but I'd be tempted to hook up a 300 meter cable and a pair of OF2200s.
 
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