New Altendorf sliding tablesaw

Carrara

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Hey, has anybody seen the new Altendorf sliding tablesaw called F25 with the slider measuring 3200mm?

Altendorf calls it the F45s little sister/brother, and it seems really interesting and even more so with the retailing price just under 7k € excl. taxes (here in Europe). [scared]

Ive always liked Felder, but seeing this makes me wonder if I should look further into the Altendorf world [unsure]

 
I'm just sad they never released the Altendorf 2. Would have been a sweet hybrid between a sliding table saw and a beam saw and require half the space due to the table not needing to slide.
 
I’m afraid I dont know what the Altendorf 2 was or was going to be since Ive never payed too much attention to Altendorf..  [unsure]

Maybe someone could tell us (me) if all Altendorf sliders are the same, or do they have different tables depending on the price of the saw, like Hammer and Felder have different sliders? [blink]
 
Go with the machine  that  has  the closest  local supplier.
I have a hammer  panel saw.
Felder  have  X roll  and  they make a big  fuss  over  it, so I assume  they  have  patents.

 
Hello Carrara

Maybe you already got your answer by now.... but I recall when I visited a friend's shop and she showed her Altendorf to me and all the accompanying paperwork, that the pricelist showed various options that included different tables.

I watch Craigslist around here  (Washington DC area) just for fun, and in the past two years I have seen maybe ten Altendorfs for sale.  Too bad I don't have the space for one.  [big grin]

Carrara said:
I’m afraid I dont know what the Altendorf 2 was or was going to be since Ive never payed too much attention to Altendorf..  [unsure]

Maybe someone could tell us (me) if all Altendorf sliders are the same, or do they have different tables depending on the price of the saw, like Hammer and Felder have different sliders? [blink]
 
Altendorf 2...  that's an impressive looking machine.
Although, to accommodate that, I'd have to knock down most of my internal walls and sleep in a tent in the park...
 
Now that is a saw!

I guess it’s that or a house.....

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Lbob131 said:
Go with the machine  that  has  the closest  local supplier.
I have a hammer  panel saw.
Felder  have  X roll  and  they make a big  fuss  over  it, so I assume  they  have  patents.

I have local suppliers of both Felder AND Altendorf close to where I live  [cool]
Yeah I know about Felders X-roll, Ive got a Felder in my shop.
But Altendorf has a steady reputation! Thats why I wanted some opinions about their sliders and in particular the F25..
 
Rob Z said:
Hello Carrara

Maybe you already got your answer by now.... but I recall when I visited a friend's shop and she showed her Altendorf to me and all the accompanying paperwork, that the pricelist showed various options that included different tables.

I watch Craigslist around here  (Washington DC area) just for fun, and in the past two years I have seen maybe ten Altendorfs for sale.  Too bad I don't have the space for one.  [big grin]

Carrara said:
I’m afraid I dont know what the Altendorf 2 was or was going to be since Ive never payed too much attention to Altendorf..  [unsure]

Maybe someone could tell us (me) if all Altendorf sliders are the same, or do they have different tables depending on the price of the saw, like Hammer and Felder have different sliders? [blink]

Maybe what you saw on that list was different lengths of the cross cut sled?
Ive got a 60sqm so I havnt got much space either hehe..  [embarassed]
 
Just came across this old thread, searching for something else.

Regarding the never-released Altendorf 2: I'm not exactly sure what the correct name is for this type of saw, but SCM sells one.  Their model is called the class px 350i.  SCM seems to be consider it a variation of a sliding table saw, but I'd call it a small beam saw.  Regardless, it's priced comparably to the higher end conventional sliding table saws, and has the benefit of needing much less dedicated shop space.  The version with a 3200mm cutting length is 4465mm long.  Compared that to the class si 350 slider with a 3200mm table, which needs 6825mm for the table to move across it's full range.  The depth of the different machines is similar, for equivalent rip width capacity.

Not a machine that will end up in many hobbyist workshops, but a good option for a commercial cabinet shop.
 
Equipment today is so great. I wish I were 35 years younger and just starting out, but as it is just doesn't seem worth the hassles/expense of upgrading. In my mid-60s now, so I have less years of woodworking in front of me than in history.

For instance, I bought an Inca 2100 in the 1980s, and it had unheard-of in the US features like a riving knife, a 3-way rip fence extrusion, and an optional floating guard. Today those are pretty standard, plus SawStop safety tech. Sliding tablesaws were crazy expensive, but man they do simplify a lot of operations is getting wonky figured hardwoods into shape, although I guess track saws can do most of that with a bit more setup and long rails.

There were no helical cutterheads for jointers/planers, at least for consumers. The 4-sides replaceable cutters are a cool, but recent, thing, I think enabled by CNC milling of the cutterheads that hold them. I retro-fitted my SCM FS-350 with a Tersa cutterhead, which still have some advantages (especially if you work with junk wood sometimes and don't want to mess up your good blades), but I think overall I'd prefer a helical. I also jury-rigged a corded hand-held drill to act as a variable speed feed to reduce tear out on things like bird's eye maple (but again, I think helicals do fine on those today). And now with new formulas that create cast iron surfaces that are less likely to rust and stay flatter.

With Carter guides or equivalent available for most bandsaws, and Laguna's and Harvey's new bandsaw fences, bandsaws are better, too.

Sliding compound miter saws were a new thing, with 8.25" blades, and you had the rear bar extrusion problem for in-shop use.

Track saws? We were still clamping plywood guides to panels to cut with a normal circular saw back then. To cut up plywood, thousands of DIYers made themselves a panel sled after Norm showed one on his show.

MFT? After getting a tablesaw and wide jointer/planer combo, I set about building my workbench. After reading The Workbench Book, decided on square dogs since the round dog holes didn't seem to hold up over decades. Today's tech relies on replacing the top periodically, and there are a LOT more holding do-hickies available today than in the early 1990s.

Festool was a new brand I saw in the late 1990s - probably around sooner though. Prices were crazy high, and the reliability and parts availability were unknowns to me then.

And, of course, CNCs. I do have a small CNC and wish I had a moderate size CNC. I may upgrade this, as it's one tool I expect I can continue to use as I get older and weaker and less co-ordinated.

Ah, to be young and starting out again...
 
Yes, CNC machining really opens up the possibility of affordably making complex equipment.  Without it, something like a spiral head cutter would still be possible to manufacture, but it would take the sort of specialized machinery used in gear hobbing machines to mechanically make the correct shape.  The shift from complex mechanisms to servo motors is also still being played out, and I expect to see more and more machinery with digitally controlled motors as time goes by.  Particularly the use of synchronized control of multiple motors.  There's a part of me that wants to complain about the complexity and decreasing ability to repair such machines, but it's also hard to deny how impressive they can be.  I wonder if anyone is manufacturing a modern version of a pattern maker's lathe for the woodworking shop.  It seems like that's a type of machinery that's ripe for re-invention.  Maybe the 4 and 5 axis CNC machines supersede the need for a more specialized machine, but they're not too affordable for the garage woodworker.
 
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