New, Big Domino & Soss Hinges

[John Stevens]

Dear Gentlemen at Festool:

Now that Festool is working on a larger version of the Domino that will accept bits up to 14mm in diameter, please consider contacting the firm that designs and sells Soss hinges and see if Festool and Soss could make some money by marketing a Soss hinge whose receptacle would be bored by the big Domino.  Thank you.

Regards,

John

 

[jonny round boy]

Well said!

That would be a fantastic application  [big grin]

 

[sw1211]

I asked Soss a year or so ago if they had any plans of this.  Their reply, "What's a Domino?"

 

[bonesbr549]

Dear Gentlemen at Festool:

Now that Festool is working on a larger version of the Domino that will accept bits up to 14mm in diameter, please consider contacting the firm that designs and sells Soss hinges and see if Festool and Soss could make some money by marketing a Soss hinge whose receptacle would be bored by the big Domino.  Thank you.

Regards,

John

That would be awsome!

 

[Dave Ronyak]

And that is such an "obvious" (at least to us on FOG) product begging to be introduced.    And ask someone who makes Euro style cup hinges (Blum?  Grass?) to make a revised cup that fits a [10 mm] Domino mortice recess.  Is there really any structural need for a 35 mm round recess to receive a hinge cup? 

Dave R.

 

[jonny round boy]

Is there really any structural need for a 35 mm round recess to receive a hinge cup? 

Err, yes there is! In a euro hinge, the round recess is used to take the end of the arm when it's in the closed position. You can also get euro hinges with 25mm cups, and I *think* some mfr's make 20mm. But there's no way you could physically get the mechanics into a 10mm wide slot...

 

[harry_]

in most of the euro cups that I have seen and used, there is a large portion of the socket that is just 'wasted space'. As a slot I think it could be 35x20 (ish). This assumes that I understood everything previously said, which I am not so sure of.

 

[John Stevens]

In a euro hinge, the round recess is used to take the end of the arm when it's in the closed position.

Thanks, that's good to know.  Similar to knowing whether the light really goes out when you close the door of the fridge, but more useful to us.

Regards,

John

 

[jonny round boy]

Just to illustrate how much of a Euro hinge fits in the 35mm recess, here are a few pictures. This is a standard 95 degree Blum hinge.

Open:

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Half-way:

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Closed:

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And from the side, in the closed position:

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Once opened again you can see that everything between the two red lines was inside the cup:

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So, far from being 'empty', the 35mm cup does have quite a lot of stuff in it when closed!

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Do you have any Soss hinges on hand?  If so, would you please post similar photos illustrating how much space [volume] they require?  If I recall correctly, they have multiple linked plates which fit into a recess [mortice] when closed.

Dave R.

 

[John Stevens]

Hi, Dave.  Soss's web site gives info on how deep and wide the recesses need to be for each size of hinge they sell.  The entire recess is filled with the hinge mechanism when the hinge is closed.  Hope this helps--I've got one size on hand, but I don't think a pic would help more than the chart on the Soss web site:  see dimensions "A," "C" and "F" on this web page:

http://www.soss.com/pdf/SossCatalog2006.pdf#page=5.

Regards,

John

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Thanks, John.  From a quick review of the Soss literature, I see that the "H" dimension is likely to be the limiting one in many applications.  Those stamped metal links have to go somewhere when the hinge is closed.

Dave R.

 

[John Stevens]

I see that the "H" dimension is likely to be the limiting one in many applications.

Yeah, I used them for doors that had a frame about 1 1/2 inches thick around the perimeter.

Regards,

John