NEW! Festool Hybrid 18V Cordless Brushless Sanders - Oct. 2017 (US) - Tool Nut

[antss]

Seems like a wireless power transfer system could be incorporated in the cover of the systainer and through capacitive or inductive coupling, the sander could be recharged by just placing the sander on the top of the systainer when not in use. That way complete battery change-outs could possibly be reduced to only a few per day.

But then you'll need power the systainer. How? Plug it in? Then what's the advantage over regular charger?

The advantage is simply one of convenience, like I said before.  Some will find it a benefit , others will not.  Just like the cordless sander.  Personally , I've wished for a cordless sander exactly zero times in the the last 40 years.  I think they're silly, but recognize that some guys will find them quite useful.  Especially our painters.

As for how to hook up the systainer  - that's easy:

The hard work already done https://www.festool.com/Products/Ac...pid=200231&name=SYSTAINER-SYS-PowerHub-SYS-PH

Now, I don't think such a system would be a huge seller but it is a clever bit of tech worthy of a brand like Festool. Cordless sanders aren't new, FT can't hang their hat on being first to market.  Can't even sell us with their "it's part of a system" tag line. The battery platform doesn't work on anything else.    I do think it'll be a nice addition to the Festool lineup especially for punch out type work though.

As for these sanders being a huge hit , I have my doubts. And with the homeowner set ? Forget it.  I enquired with a source at the Home Depot and was told their Ridgid cordless sander which has been out a while is a dog in terms of sales.  If Homer can't market a sander costing 1/4 of the price to that market segment;  what chance does FT have ? 

 

[Svar]

But then you'll need power the systainer. How? Plug it in? Then what's the advantage over regular charger?

The advantage is that you're not removing the battery to charge it. 
I'm sanding and then get interrupted, just lay the sander down on the Systainer and walk away, it's charging.
I'm sanding but then need to use the Domino, just lay the sander down on the Systainer and walk away, it's charging.
I'm sanding but then need to assemble some parts, just lay the sander down.............

It's easier to have a spare battery charging (at much greater rate) while you do all that. There is no time saved.

 

[Svar]

The hard work already done https://www.festool.com/Products/Ac...pid=200231&name=SYSTAINER-SYS-PowerHub-SYS-PH

That not hard work. That is just an extension cord in a conveniently huge box (Festool should roll out SYS 5 edition for hardcore fans). Hard work will be an actual reasonably priced inductive charger that can fill a power tool battery in a reasonable time.

 

[Cheese]

It's easier to have a spare battery charging (at much greater rate) while you do all that. There is no time saved.

El rongo...that's a matter of symantics, what's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.
All my chargers are downstairs. This is strictly a matter of convenience. I'm not looking at energy saved or time saved...I'm talking about convenience...my convenience, no one else's.

Think about this, the ETS EC was released and I purchased it.
The Pro 5 was released and I purchased it.

These new cordless sanders have been released and I will not purchase any of them until the run time becomes realistic.  Re-batterying every 30 minutes is ridiculous, that may work for your work throughput but it's unacceptable for me.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a cordless sander but the run time needs to be more than 30 minutes or................................................some other/another charging option needs to be implemented.

Enter alternative charging options, if an out of charger cradle option was available I'd be all over it.

 

[Svar]

It's easier to have a spare battery charging (at much greater rate) while you do all that. There is no time saved.

All my chargers are downstairs. This is strictly a matter of convenience.

So you regular chargers are downstairs but your inductive charger will be by your side? It's still a charger and you still need to bring it with you. Why not bring a regular one instead? Inductive chargers are slow and will not make significant difference.

 

[Cheese]

So you regular chargers are downstairs but your inductive charger will be by your side? It's still a charger and you still need to bring it with you. Why not bring a regular one instead? Inductive chargers are slow and will not make significant difference.

El righto...because I keep my tools in their Systainers. So, if I need the cordless sander, l go downstairs, pickup the Systainer it's in and go outside. I remove the sander, plug in the Systainer and start my day. Now 15 minutes into the job I need to go to the hardware store for additional items.  I just lay the sander down on the Systainer and just walk away, because it's charging.

I get the slow charging aspect of the inductive charger. My suggestion of inductance charging was based on convenience and pushing the technology further, not on my having recently  invented a game changing methodology of the same.

Kind of reminds me of Milwaukee when they came out with the first cordless drill in the late 60's early 70's. It was powered by a 35# lead acid battery that you had to carry around. Had Milwaukee listened to the cordless naysayers at the time, we might still be lugging around corded tools.

It's all about furthering the technology, which Festool prides themselves on and likes to have bragging rights on. This discussion could then be looked upon as an opportunity to leap frog the competition and make our lives easier. For me inductance charging makes my life easier, for you it obviously doesn't.

 

[Shane Holland]

Bump.

These will start shipping in just 3 short weeks along with the new PLANEX EASY Drywall Sander and SysLite STL 450 Surface Inspection Light.

PRE-ORDER Festool 18V Hybrid Sanders!

 

[gsdvorak]

The inspection light looks very interesting to me (I currently use a couple SysLites or the Syslite Duo) but will wait and check it out this weekend at Connect.  Hope to meet many of you there.

Regards,
Gerald

 

[ben_r_]

I wish they'd make a hybrid TS-55. I would love to have one track saw that could be both powered off AC and batteries. I hazve zero need for a cordless sander as I would never use a sander that wasnt connected to a vacuum, so it might as well be AC powered anyway.

 

[leakyroof]

I wish they'd make a hybrid TS-55. I would love to have one track saw that could be both powered off AC and batteries. I hazve zero need for a cordless sander as I would never use a sander that wasnt connected to a vacuum, so it might as well be AC powered anyway.

  NOW that's an idea, a Hybrid Saw... [scratch chin] [scratch chin] [scratch chin] [scratch chin]

 

[ben_r_]

I wish they'd make a hybrid TS-55. I would love to have one track saw that could be both powered off AC and batteries. I hazve zero need for a cordless sander as I would never use a sander that wasnt connected to a vacuum, so it might as well be AC powered anyway.

  NOW that's an idea, a Hybrid Saw... [scratch chin] [scratch chin] [scratch chin] [scratch chin]

Makes a whole lot more sense to me than a hybrid sander does. The only other tool I can see being a good candidate for hybridization would be the jigsaw, but then I work out of my shop/garage, so I never have a need to go portable.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I wish they'd make a hybrid TS-55. I would love to have one track saw that could be both powered off AC and batteries. I hazve zero need for a cordless sander as I would never use a sander that wasnt connected to a vacuum, so it might as well be AC powered anyway.

I'd like the idea.  It might be a little trickier since the TSC runs on two batteries.  An 18V AC adapter would be great for my HKC. 

 

[ben_r_]

I wish they'd make a hybrid TS-55. I would love to have one track saw that could be both powered off AC and batteries. I hazve zero need for a cordless sander as I would never use a sander that wasnt connected to a vacuum, so it might as well be AC powered anyway.

I'd like the idea.  It might be a little trickier since the TSC runs on two batteries.  An 18V AC adapter would be great for my HKC. 

The TSC will run on 1 battery though and Im sure there is a way electrically they could allow the increased amperage when using one port connected to AC power. Its very easily done, they just dont want to or havent yet.

 

[DB10]

The TSC does run on one battery but it isn't much fun!
I also think the cordless sanders will be very useful, my Makita cordless sander gets plenty of use for quick jobs.

 

[rdr]

Just about to order a DTCS, can the Airstream charger be used with the batteries? having just decluttered my charging situation I'm hoping not to start adding to it straight away!

 

[Shane Holland]

Just about to order a DTCS, can the Airstream charger be used with the batteries? having just decluttered my charging situation I'm hoping not to start adding to it straight away!

[member=61770]rdr[/member], yes, these batteries are compatible with the AirStream SCA 8 charger.

 

[dallas8338]

On the etsc 125, can you put the 150 Airstream 2 pad on it like you can with the ets 125 models?  I know it's not "supported", but is it possible?

Go here: https://www.toolnut.com/festool-202460-soft-pad-for-ets-etsc-150-sanders-1-pack.html