New Festools & Questions

rodwolfy

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Well, I took the plunge a couple of weeks ago and got the TS55 saw and MFT last week from Uncle Bob. I had to get about 700 sq of laminate flooring installed prior to my shoulder surgery yesterday morning (painful to even type today, except I am on morphine pills). The TS55 worked great and I used it in my living room with my Fein. Almost no dust, expecially when compared to my shop downstairs where my buddy did not have the chop saw connected to dust collection - heavy coat of dust on everything. My wife later remarked about the 'haze' when she walked into the garage (I had to stay over at work). Some friends came over and wowed about my tools. Definitely a slippery slope, once you get past the price tag (my wife commented about how a cruise ship could have taken her and my 3 kids on a great vacation for what I am spending. She mentioned $4K, after agreeing to give me the money in savings if I did all the painting and flooring myself. So I have some other stuff in the works!). She was ecstactic about the floors though.

The MFT worked great too, but I had a couple of questions.

First, Did all of you tear the underside of the rail's sticky strip on the guide rail support tab (the one that you cam the rail into slightly? It took me a while to get it set up and figure out how to use. I was pushing it over too far and tore the rubber. Also, I noticed that the saw wasn't always cutting the depth of cut to saw the flooring in half. It was like the rail was bowed a bit in the middle. I still haven't quite figured out the off side support.

The bigger problem I noted was that the Miter fence wasn't dead on when set up. In fact, every time I moved it and then went back to 90 degrees, I had to get out my Starrett to square it up perfectly. Off by 1/2 to 1 degree if I just used the indexed stop, as there was some flex. Have you guys had to do this too? Like when you move it to the 22.5 degree stop, you have to throw on a protractor to make sure that it's 22.5 as opposed to 23.1 or something? I also noticed that if I set it up with the Miter fence at the end of the miter head, I couldn't get the thing to swing more that about 10 degrees without hitting the miter fence on the guide rail. Should I mount the miter head an extra set of holes to the left? Seems like Jerry Work's article mentioned something about this.

I got a nasty blood blister when I slid my workpiece across the table and my forefinger was slightly in a hole. Very sharp round holes! I found that the table worked best if I held the workpiece down with the clamps. If I get the vac and boom arm, have you guys found that the pair negates the need for the little guide rail deflector at the end?

I'm probably going to get the CT33 and OF1400 next month. Dread the cost, but love the 'system'. My wife thinks that I need to start taking on side jobs to pay for my tool addiction!

Thanks,

Rod
 
Welcome to the Slippery Slope!!! I'm a noob myself, bought a few tools (then a few more ;D) and still learning. You'll find plenty of info here on the FOG. Certainly the  adjustable miter rail is sloppy and has to be re-squared every time you move it. Some people have made big squares out of cabinet doors or corners of plywood to do a quick realignment. I found on mine that a washer under the table attached to the clamping knobs helped tighten it up a bit.

If you think the DC on the TS55 is good, wait until you try a sander. zero dust, no kidding. Really makes sanding a delightful task.

With a $4k budget you could buy at least a couple more tools ;D. Good luck!
 
Hey Rod. It's not totally clear from your post, but maybe you think the rubber strip needs to be restuck so the saw won't cut it? The saw is supposed to cut it on your first pass, that's what allows you to line up the rail for a cut. The guide rail supports (the hinge end and the end closest to you) each have a black paddle shaped lever. When setting the guide rail to cut a new thickness workpiece, open both these levers and press the rail flat to the workpiece, and then close them. You won't have the bowing anymore. Offside support is one of those things. There is a support available. A couple of guys have built their own. Some guys have another table. Really depends on what you're cutting for the most part.

We do all use something to check the MFT fence, the factory detents are usually not perfect. I've caught my finger in the MFT holes too. Pretty painful, that is a learning experience.
 
Eli,

I was planning on using a couple of roller stands for the longer pieces.

As far as the rubber strip, I wasn't referring to the cut line one. The other two, which hold the rail in place on the wood. The one the furthest to the left on the underside of the guard rail was all tore up from the little index tab. There's a photo attached.

Rod
 
Ah so.

That little tab is a pet peeve of mine because it doesn't go below the level of the worktop. I scratched a piece during assembly.
 
I didn't like that tab either. Made it so that I couldn't put down a piece of flooring and do a rip cut down the middle. I had to put up the rail and they lay the flooring length wise w/ quick clamps to do a rip. Did an amazing job at dust collection and lack of chipping. Just what I bought it for!

If Festool were looking to improve the MFT, they should figure out some way to remove that tab. Either by having an insert that slides into the guide rail "T" and locks in place, which would in-turn lock into the lower plate, or some other method.

Cheers,

Rod
 
Rod,

Welcome to FOG - home of the slippery slopers!  ;D  That's a nice looking room.   

The side support is nice and roller stands will work well too, but you might want to consider the Ridgid Flip-Top stand ("AC9933"):http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolGuideProduct.aspx?id=5540 andhttp://benchmark.20m.com/reviews/RidgidStand/RidgidStandReview.html.  Have two and love 'em. 

About the CT33, if it's for shop use only, it's a great choice.  I have the CT22 and think its a nice combo of features, capacity, and weight. 

Regards,

Dan.
 
Hey Rod

Welcome!!!

The rubber strip for my guide rail on the MFT is also torn similar to Eli's. Doesn't affect anything

The miter guage does need to be checked everytime you move it and/or bump it. I have been successful cutting simple mouldings on the MFT although you have to think more so then with the miter saw.

My wife has always been good about tool purchases. She is enthusiastic about my Festools as they seem to help improve my productive time in the shop. Tonight and Saturday I'll be over at my Mother In Law's working on her kitchen under counter lighting.

Cheers
Dan Clermont
 
mine isn't torn but I have the thing aligned so the tab only has to move ever so slightly laterally to drop into the slot.  It only needs a small amount of side pressure to keep it in place.  I have a piece of mdf that I made as perfectly square as I could. It is about the depth of the table so I drop that on to make sure the fence and the guiderail are square. 
 
Dan Clark said:
Rod,

Welcome to FOG - home of the slippery slopers!  ;D  That's a nice looking room.   

The side support is nice and roller stands will work well too, but you might want to consider the Ridgid Flip-Top stand ("AC9933"):http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolGuideProduct.aspx?id=5540 andhttp://benchmark.20m.com/reviews/RidgidStand/RidgidStandReview.html.  Have two and love 'em.   

About the CT33, if it's for shop use only, it's a great choice.   I have the CT22 and think its a nice combo of features, capacity, and weight.   

Regards,

Dan.

Dan,
Thats a nice looking support. Do they carry them at most HD's?

About the Vacuum. I was looking at the two HEPA vacs and trying to decide. I don't need the extra storage space of the 33. But my Fein has about 9 gallons on the Turbo II. I didn't want to downsize as this one will be taking over for that one (my wife has all but confiscated it for the stairs and the new floor - can't use a beater bar vac on laminate). It will predominately be for the shop use and I frequently have my Fein hose mounted off of a clip or ring in the ceiling to ease up the tangles. Sanding is especially a pain with the hose always getting caught on the edge of the work piece.

My parents paid for half of the saw setup. I'm going to be spending my next few weeks of surgery recovery dropping in at their house, directing my dad in the making and installation of several sets of cabinets (all made on site, since I won't be able to work on them and can't lift). They bought a new house last year and I've already made the laundry room cabinets and counters. What brought on the Festool system in the first place was when I made all new kitchen cabinets over at their cabin last year. I had a cheap, snap together 8' straight edge that I used with my dewalt 18v cordless to cut down the sheetgoods. Absoulute mess! Cheap rail moved, spoiling the plywood's straight edge and throwing everything out of square from the start. The other project I did for a customer was with nice plywood from Lowes. But when I ripped it on my old Felder, it splintered like mad from all the voids. I ended up taking a piece back to Lowes and they gave me a refund. Hopefully, I won't get the splintering with the Festool. I got the 3000 guiderail right from the beginning to cut down the sheetgoods.

Dan C, by the way, we've talked before about hand planes and such on other sites. Where do you live in BC? I live in Arlington, Washington...

Cheers,

Rod
 
By the way, we've talked before about hand planes and such on other sites. Where do you live in BC? I live in Arlington, Washington...

Cheers,

Rod

Hi Rod

Think you got your Dan's mixed up. Dan posted the roller stand link

I use the CT 22 and find it very useful. Not too big.

I live in Vancouver area. Just north of you. Stop by if you are ever in the area.

Cheers
Dan Clermont
 
rodwolfy said:
Dan Clark said:
The side support is nice and roller stands will work well too, but you might want to consider the Ridgid Flip-Top stand ("AC9933"):

Dan,
Thats a nice looking support. Do they carry them at most HD's?
...
About the Vacuum. ...It will predominately be for the shop use and I frequently have my Fein hose mounted off of a clip or ring in the ceiling to ease up the tangles. Sanding is especially a pain with the hose always getting caught on the edge of the work piece...
...
...nice plywood from Lowes. But when I ripped it on my old Felder, it splintered like mad from all the voids. I ended up taking a piece back to Lowes and they gave me a refund. Hopefully, I won't get the splintering with the Festool. I got the 3000 guiderail right from the beginning to cut down the sheetgoods.

Dan C, by the way, we've talked before about hand planes and such on other sites. Where do you live in BC? I live in Arlington, Washington...

Cheers,

Rod
Rod,

I got my Ridgid stands at HD.  They're back by the storage boxes and tool boxes.  I asked the Despot's employees (several) but they were clueless.  You'll have to hunt down the stands yourself.  Also, watch out for the pivot top pins.  I had to return and replace one because of a defective pin.

For shop use, you may want to consider a boom arm.  It's pricey, especially since they raised the price, but I love mine.  Here's my boom arm review:http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=324.0.

"...Nice plywood from Lowes..." ???  Isn't that an oxymoron!?!  I think you'll get more splinter-free cuts with Festool rails, but I'd be worryin' about Lowes plywood.

And since I'm a Dan C too...  I live in Bellevue.  ;D

Best regards,

Dan.
 
Dan Clermont said:
By the way, we've talked before about hand planes and such on other sites. Where do you live in BC? I live in Arlington, Washington...

Cheers,

Rod

Hi Rod

Think you got your Dan's mixed up. Dan posted the roller stand link

I use the CT 22 and find it very useful. Not too big.

I live in Vancouver area. Just north of you. Stop by if you are ever in the area.

Cheers
Dan Clermont
There's lots of Dan C's runnin' amok in here!  ;D
 
Dan Clark said:
rodwolfy said:
Dan Clark said:
The side support is nice and roller stands will work well too, but you might want to consider the Ridgid Flip-Top stand ("AC9933"):

Dan,
Thats a nice looking support. Do they carry them at most HD's?
...
About the Vacuum. ...It will predominately be for the shop use and I frequently have my Fein hose mounted off of a clip or ring in the ceiling to ease up the tangles. Sanding is especially a pain with the hose always getting caught on the edge of the work piece...
...
...nice plywood from Lowes. But when I ripped it on my old Felder, it splintered like mad from all the voids. I ended up taking a piece back to Lowes and they gave me a refund. Hopefully, I won't get the splintering with the Festool. I got the 3000 guiderail right from the beginning to cut down the sheetgoods.

Dan C, by the way, we've talked before about hand planes and such on other sites. Where do you live in BC? I live in Arlington, Washington...

Cheers,

Rod
Rod,

I got my Ridgid stands at HD.  They're back by the storage boxes and tool boxes.  I asked the Despot's employees (several) but they were clueless.  You'll have to hunt down the stands yourself.  Also, watch out for the pivot top pins.  I had to return and replace one because of a defective pin.

For shop use, you may want to consider a boom arm.  It's pricey, especially since they raised the price, but I love mine.  Here's my boom arm review:http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=324.0.

"...Nice plywood from Lowes..." ???  Isn't that an oxymoron!?!  I think you'll get more splinter-free cuts with Festool rails, but I'd be worryin' about Lowes plywood.

And since I'm a Dan C too...  I live in Bellevue.  ;D

Best regards,

Dan.

Sounds like we need to have a Pacific Northwest Festool party!!!! Or you guys could just invite me and Mirko over for some turkey!!!! That would be a nice gesture.  :)

Dan Clermont
 
OK, too many Dans! I'm confused! :D

So, do any of you guys use the wet tub on the vacs? I can buy a Rigid wet/dry vac tomorrow for $29 at the HD. Seems like a better deal than $100+ for the kit to convert the festool over to wet pick up. Some other deals: the Wixey is $30 at Rockler...

Rod
 
If you're after some roller stands, you might check out the Triton Multi-Stand.  It will not only serve your purpose here, it also makes for a nice alternative to saw horses to support a cutting table.  Here's a poor review I did earlier:

Triton MultiStand Cutting Table

So, a PNW Festool Party?  Who's bringing the party hats?
Corwin

 
Sorry, the turkey's all gone.   Our wolf pack (aka "the family") already snarfed it down.   ;D

I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.

Best regards,

Dan.
 
Hey Corwin,
I am with you, the Triton stands are great, and very compact when folded up.
 
OK,

Well, while I have this thread going, some questions? What hose kit do you guys like? I'm assuming that I will be getting an anti-static hose with the ct-33. Should I get a second one and connect it with the "Y" fitting? Should it be an "ANTI-STATIC" or just a plane hose? I already have an orange hose w/ attachments from Woodcraft. Is there one from Festool that is recommended over another? Or a kit with the attachments and hose?

Also,

What kinds of things should I be thinking about if I'm going to get an OF1400? The outrigger support and guide rail support, sure. But, what about the collets and such? Extra base? I have a Bosch 1617EVS kit, w/ edge guides, 1618EVS D handle, Makita laminate, Bosch Colt and Hitachi 12V, plus about 100 bits (mostly 1/2").

Thanks!
Rod
 
For the vac accessories, I went with the Workshop Cleaning Set to get the D36-AS hose and a very nice floor nozzle.  Also added the D36 Crevice Nozzle along with a couple brushes.  I really like this nozzle, but you might also check out the Tradesmen/instal. Cleaning Set which also includes the D36-AS hose.

I purchased the Y-Piece with Blanking Plug but find it unneeded unless you want to run two tools at once.  To connect two hoses together you will want to check out a few photos in my Gallery that show how the D36 Rotating Adapter and the Connector Sleeve - AS can be used to connect two hoses.

Corwin
 
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