New from Festool for Europe - September 2018: CT pre separator with cyclone tech

jobsworth said:
DynaGlide said:
jobsworth said:
270 GP is around $346. if I did the math correct using the exchange rate of $1.28 = 1 GBP. So thats about what we are going to pay here in NA for it.

Pricing was already announced. $375, see first page of thread.

Ok 270 GBP was at toolfest, ,

I just found it for 249 GBP @ FFX .co.uk including VAT

Nuts and Bolts has it for 268 GBP,

Europe doesnt price fix like NA does.

One thing that comes along with laws that prevent price fixing is dealers with no stock showing a temptingly lower price that mysteriously goes back up once they actually do have stock.....

Hold on and buy from us guys.....oh wait.
 
HowardH said:
Actually got my hands on the new cyclone today.  Not for sale yet, but got a few impressions.  The tub looks a bit smallish but I don't think it's much of an issue.  The tub also rocks a bit in it's base but that would also make it very easy to remove and replace.  I didn't see a bag in the box and I thought it came with one.  It may have been in with the rest of the documentation.  I really don't think it's going to be too tall, either, nothing like the DD.  It's very solid feeling and I would imagine I could go pretty much all day without worrying about emptying the bin.  I'm convinced it's a well conceived and executed accessory and will soon find a home on top of my new CT36.

I now have one on loan from Festool UK and no plastic bag was included. However, in the scope of delivery bit on the web site its states that the following is included:

  - cyclone Systainer
  - VAB-20 collection container
  - Systainer pan
  - connecting hose
  - disposal bag
  - container lid
  - in carton

The disposal bags are in short supply at the moment but will be included once the product is released to market.

I have been doing some filming of the cyclone and hope to release a video very soon - when I do I will start a new thread.

My first impressions back up what [member=396]HowardH[/member] has said. It is well made, certainly part of the "System" approach and not too tall. The Festool bags will not be cheap and in the absence of any bag with the demo kit I just used an ordinary black plastic bag - it worked fine.

Interestingly, Oneida go to a lot of effort to keep the bag seated in the their UDD drop box and have an annoying plastic tube which runs from the front of the CT to the bottom of the drop box that sucks the bag in place. There is no such arrangement with the CT VA and it works fine with a bag.

I have built several cyclones from kits and read a little about them on Bill Pentz's web site. The height of the tapered cone can have an effect on the efficiency of the cyclone as far as fine dust is concerned. This can be offset to an extent by the diameter choosen for the upper section. The CT VA 20 has a short cyclone section and so it will be interesting to see how it managed with the fine dust particularly as Festool's imaging for the product shows it in a drywall/Planex context.

I do not believe that this is aimed primarily at the static workshop user. The mobile user, particularly when working on site with other trades, will have the advantage of much longer CT bag life and easier disposal of waste.

Peter

 
Some Interesting points raised here.

We've now got stock the CT-VA and the disposable bags and getting great feedback from Contractors.
We have steered well away from NON Festool separators after seeing serious issues with static and voided warrantys etc.
(we are in the flooring game so large quantity's of dust and sparks don't mix as we all know) [eek] [scared]

If anyone's in the North West and wants to pop in for a brew and a play feel free we have one in our workshop you can have play with, Not just fire it up..actually use it with a ts55 etc. ;D [big grin]
 
Hi Everyone

I have just done the test of the CT VA 20 and I am really amazed at the separation rate which came out at 97.5% for wood debris (chips and dust).

I have captured this on video and can assure even the most sceptical person that my figures are accurate. However, I admit (and say this in the video) that my test is not truly scientific as I did not repeat it, nor did I start with a brand new CT or hose. My CT 26 is a veteran member of my workshop and so I am really pleased with the result.

Technically this would mean saving 39 bags for every 1 used although as it would be only the really fine dust making up the 2.5% that gets through I would suspect it means saving 19 bags for every 1 used. That is still a huge saving.

I did not test mineral dust and have no way of doing that.

Peter
 
Hi!

So I saw it live at the Roadshow today and all I can say is: pictures really don't do it justice.

Sounds stupid, I know - but: Seeing this live made me suddenly realize how compact (yes it's really small) the whole system is when pieced together and what a difference that will make in any small shop or when portability is key. Personally, I think this will put a cyclone in a lot of hands that otherwise would have never bought/built one.

The clear bins and bags ... Great.

In short: I'm getting one ASAP.

Now another visitor asked the Festool rep. about compatibility with the CTL-SYS - something that I was interested in, too. Answer was: CTL-SYS has not enough power/suction/flow (whatever you wanna call it) to make this worthwhile.

I'll take this statement for what it is, but will definitely give it a try.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 
Like this?

Just having  a play.. [big grin]
Have to say it was actually OK!

Big apologies for T-locs.... [embarassed]
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Would be very interested to hear just how well it worked with the SYS.

And, if the SYS works then the MIDI will too, surely? Or have I missed something?

Guess which two vacs I have  ;)
 
Peter Parfitt said:
Hi Everyone

I have just done the test of the CT VA 20 and I am really amazed at the separation rate which came out at 97.5% for wood debris (chips and dust).

I have captured this on video and can assure even the most sceptical person that my figures are accurate. However, I admit (and say this in the video) that my test is not truly scientific as I did not repeat it, nor did I start with a brand new CT or hose. My CT 26 is a veteran member of my workshop and so I am really pleased with the result.

Technically this would mean saving 39 bags for every 1 used although as it would be only the really fine dust making up the 2.5% that gets through I would suspect it means saving 19 bags for every 1 used. That is still a huge saving.

I did not test mineral dust and have no way of doing that.

Peter

Thats what I found when I saw it at Anderson Plywood, Don demonstrated it for me
 
Hi Oliver

I have finished most of the video shooting and have done a piece about the CTL Sys. Having read Bill Pentz's notes I think that it may be slightly under powered. However, it does separate more than it lets through. I will let someone else do the test though.

What I noticed was that the short hose that comes with the cyclone is the perfect size and fit for the CTL Sys - I do not think that is an accident.

Peter
 
Some how I missed this thread. I did two video's when my Demo arrived.=340s=99s
 
Hi
Currently putting it through its paces for a to be revealed build at Xmas - tomorrow I will check out the bag to see what we have. It’s a mixture of materials being used
Rg
Phil
Festool UK
 

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Phil, in your photo it looks like the hose from the CT to the separator is one of the new smooth hoses, while the photo Dan Clermont's latest thread clearly shows the older ribbed hose. Is this just a pre-production inconsistency? Also, is this a D36 hose?
 
Corwin said:
Phil, in your photo it looks like the hose from the CT to the separator is one of the new smooth hoses, while the photo Dan Clermont's latest thread clearly shows the older ribbed hose. Is this just a pre-production inconsistency? Also, is this a D36 hose?

.....it’s my stunning photography - the hose is the ribbed version from CT to VA and I am using the 36 hose.
Rg
Phil
 
Phil Beckley said:
Corwin said:
Phil, in your photo it looks like the hose from the CT to the separator is one of the new smooth hoses, while the photo Dan Clermont's latest thread clearly shows the older ribbed hose. Is this just a pre-production inconsistency? Also, is this a D36 hose?

.....it’s my stunning photography - the hose is the ribbed version from CT to VA and I am using the 36 hose.
Rg
Phil

It must be your stunning photography!  [big grin]
Thanks
 
Hi there

I have just read through the 4 pages of discussion and can only hope that this is offered down under. I do like the system approach, combined with the fact that I can use it with a router and know how much space I have left before I start filling the bag in the CT. It also looks good on the CT SYS which I am considering using to sand my mums house which is in another country. I don't think they let you put a CT26 into an airliner lol.
 
Peter Parfitt said:
Hi Oliver

I have finished most of the video shooting and have done a piece about the CTL Sys. Having read Bill Pentz's notes I think that it may be slightly under powered. However, it does separate more than it lets through. I will let someone else do the test though.

Peter

Underpowered in that there’s not enough force to separate correctly or that the vac becomes less effective somehow?
 
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