New Hilti

Looks  like a  quality  machine. Follows  on the makita  design.
The  bevel  adjuster  is  on  the front  like  the bosch design. But unlike  bosch  it looks  easier adjusted.
I'd be  interested  in  getting  my hands  on it  just  to  see.
I tried a  bosch  recently  and  it takes a good  pressure  to  move  the lever  and  the stability  of  the  hold  seemed  questionable.
 
There’s another, much longer video on YouTube which I just watched. I’m a committed Hilti user with seven of their tools, three of which are corded and four which run on their 22-volt battery platform (5.2Ah and 8.0Ah). On first showing, there’s not enough on this saw to make me think about changing from my bombproof DeWalt 780. Specifically;

1 It doesn’t appear to do anything the 780 doesn’t do. It actually looks like they’ve benchmarked the 780 as part of their design - multiple things on it look very, very close to the DeWalt. Sure, there are some small features which are an improvement, but nothing which I've ever been especially been frustrated by. The presenter is freaking out about the 'genius' variable speed - my 780 has it and I thought other saws did, too?

2 The ‘back to the wall’ feature is great for use in a small shop where every square inch of floor space counts, but that doesn’t represent an advantage for me in my situation. The position of the extractor hose would limit how close you could get it anyway.

3 The machine uses the new Nuron battery platform and (like almost all recent Hilti offerings) isn't available in a B22 version. Long-term B22 users like me (with a very considerable investment in batteries and chargers) are excluded from all of these new tools unless we junk everthing we've bought and start over. I'd freely admit that leaves somewhat of a sour taste.

4 The stand only extends to 8 feet (just over 2400mm). My DeWalt stand pulls out to 4900mm (16 feet) which is important to me because almost all of the material I buy comes in 5.4m, 4.8m or 4.2m lengths. But above all;

5 I can virtually guarantee that the price will be astronomical. They’re charging £1500 in the UK just for their 190mm circular saw with a case, a charger and two 5Ah batteries, so I’m anticipating a cost in the stratosphere. That 12Ah battery in the video costs £400 just on its own. The tools are fabulous (as is their warranty and customer service), but I’ll almost certainly be staying with the tried-and-trusted black & yellow which has been tortured over thousands of hours of almost-daily site use, but which still works as well as the day I bought it 8 years ago. I've also very much started to feel that whereas once upon a time, the additional initial cost of a Hilti would be worthwhile given their legendary robustness and reliability, several recent experiences have made me feel that the balance between short-term cost vs. long-term value has now tipped way, way too far towards the former - especially considering that much of their smaller equipment is now made in China and the quality's definitely deteriorated. I'll call my local rep and have him bring one over for me to try out when it becomes available, though. It may have hidden depths which the short video didn't expose.

And as for their release of a track saw - how are they possibly going to better a TS55 or a TS60?
 
Regarding Dewalt I seen a review  on  the  UK  Dewalt  site  about  the  DWS 780 KIT....

Improvement Points: Comparing this saw to the same model one which is 15 - 20 years old and still going strong.
The hold down clamp is shocking. Awful knob on the top which is not at all comfortable to use. There’s no quick release button which allowed the hold down clamp to be moved up and down quickly before using the screw down thread to hold the work piece in place like the old one had. Why change something that worked perfectly and worked well! Cost cutting I guess but I’d rather pay that little bit more for something that is practical and works.
As for the extraction, well what can I say
The old one was poor so you would have thought that after 15 - 20 years that would and could have been improved. Obviously not! It’s still inadequate.Whoever designs these tools really need educating.
It also doesn’t slide on the rails as smoothly as the old one. Yes I’ve tried adjusting the screw but no improvement.
It did need fine adjusting as wasn’t set 100% but what a job I had to do that and I’m still not happy with the final outcome as I can’t get it 100%.
Basically I’m not entirely happy when comparing it to the old one.
Would I recommend it, NO!
It was purchased for the business I work for so not purchased with my own money so I don’t feel so bad. If it was for my personal use then I think I’d be sending it back and purchasing another well known brand.
I was that impressed with the old  one that has stood the test of time. This I’m not impressed with. Things should in my opinion improve over the years. This I have to say hasn’t.
If anything it’s worse.
 
woodbutcherbower said:
And as for their release of a track saw - how are they possibly going to better a TS55 or a TS60?
It's probably just intended for users that are on Hilti's fleet management platform and already have lots of other Neuron-powered tools.

Looks sorta cheaply made IMO, not anywhere near as nice as Festool or Mafell. Similar pricing I'm sure too. 
 
Peter Kelly said:
Looks sorta cheaply made IMO, not anywhere near as nice as Festool or Mafell. Similar pricing I'm sure too. 

I'm a big Hilti fan but that saw looks pretty cheesy...it's certainly not the calibre of what I'd expect them to produce. Looks like just another Rigid or Dewalt in a different color.  [eek]

That's unfortunate, we're almost full circle now although Festool & Mafell haven't buckled yet for their premier products and that's a good thing.
 
Cheese said:
Peter Kelly said:
Looks sorta cheaply made IMO, not anywhere near as nice as Festool or Mafell. Similar pricing I'm sure too. 

I'm a big Hilti fan but that saw looks pretty cheesy...it's certainly not the calibre of what I'd expect them to produce. Looks like just another Rigid or Dewalt in a different color.  [eek]

That's unfortunate, we're almost full circle now although Festool & Mafell haven't buckled yet for their premier products and that's a good thing.

Watching the video I thought it almost looks more like a concept saw than an actual product.
 
Robin Clevett  putting  the  new  Hilti  SCMS  through its  paces...=912s
 
Looks like a good saw so far, leaving little if anything to be desired if you’re on the Nuron platform. Wouldn’t mind playing with that for a project or two.

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
For those in the UK, looks like it's 849GBP + VAT, which doesn't seem too over the top??  The Nuron batteries are obscenely expensive, though.
 
Yeah, if you have batteries & a charger. Otherwise it stops shy of 1800 GBP + VAT.

In the end that doesn’t mean anything, though. It is what it is with Hilti.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 
six-point socket II said:
It is what it is with Hilti.

Pretty much. My disappointment with them is that they’re no longer interested in the 7-tool ‘little guy’ like me, and a few recent events have left me somewhat disenfranchised. Their entire corporate structure now seems to be based around fleet management for large organisations, and I’ve felt like I’m regarded as an annoyance. I won’t be replacing my Hilti tools when they wear out.

But they don’t ….  [big grin]
 
The  biggest  problem  with this  saw  is  its  cordless.
I  work  in  the  sticks a  lot  but  would  still  prefer  either  240v  or  110v.
You still  have to  charge  the batteries  and  still  need  electric.
When  you  pull  a saw  like  this  unto  a  site  its  meant  for  serious  work  and  serious  work  needs  plug  in electric imo  and  the  blade  wont  need  replacing  as  often either.
My battery platform is  Milwaukee  but I still  wouldn't  go  cordless  on a  milwaukee scms.
 
Lbob131 said:
The  biggest  problem  with this  saw  is  its  cordless.
I  work  in  the  sticks a  lot  but  would  still  prefer  either  240v  or  110v.
You still  have to  charge  the batteries  and  still  need  electric.
When  you  pull  a saw  like  this  unto  a  site  its  meant  for  serious  work  and  serious  work  needs  plug  in electric imo  and  the  blade  wont  need  replacing  as  often either.
My battery platform is  Milwaukee  but I still  wouldn't  go  cordless  on a  milwaukee scms.

The battery powered units of today are so much better than anything we could have imagined, back in the day. My platform of choice is Makita and theirs is fantastic. The dust collection is even decent.
I got it to replace my older Dewalt DW717. That thing had been great too, for many years, but it is the older "trombone style" rail system. Huge waste of space to the rear. The Makita works more like the Festool, with the saw sliding on a forward rail, taking much less space. It runs on 36v (2 18v) and does a great job....all day in a commercial cabinet shop.

Wow [member=75780]woodbutcherbower[/member] I didn't realize that the VAT was 20%  [eek]

We don't have that here....yet.  [unsure] Ours is a sales tax, which varies by county. It's up to 7% where I live, from under 4% when I was a kid. Some places are a lot higher, almost 10%, but some have none at all.
 
Stationary  machines  should  remain  corded imo.
Dewalt  has/had a system  for  doing  both  but I believe  its  giving problems.
If it was  successful  I still  wouldn't buy  it as it adds  to much  expense  anyway  and you still  have a machine  that  runs  on low  volts  which  will  be  under powered.
I stick  with 240v  when  ever I can  for  stationary machines.

 
Tools are expencive and quality is same than others,possible company has social program for its workers,for example offer to drive their family
 
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