New member says hi and quick domino test drive

[Bob Swenson]

Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it. Once I took a 9 x 9 piece and
made a Christmas Card with it. As I folded it I wrote the message
backwards. Had to use a rubber mallet to make the last folds. tied
a red ribbon on it and sent it to an Art Director. Wanted to be there
when he opened the card in his little cubical.
It's the thought that counts  :

bob

 

[johne]

Bob, nice shot thx for sharing, always great to see the work of other photographers.
you apparently are a man with multiple talents.

 

[semenza]

Hi,

      Do you have the cross stop, and are the pins different on that also?  Do the new pins on the Domino change the use of the cross stop?

Seth

 

[Fred West]

Bob, beautiful picture and thank you for the lesson on the no seam paper. I love learning new things like that. I have a decent digital camera and I love using it just don't know what I am doing.   ;D But, then, that has never stopped me before.   Fred PS Would also have loved to see that Art Director open that card.  

 

[mastercabman]

Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins???

mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix.  ;D Fred

thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents.

as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic.i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal,i don't cut mortise that close anyway.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.

bob

Fred, it is also known as "seamless backdrop paper". This designation is a little more self explanatory. The no seam/seamless term refers to the elimination of the floor/wall seam that would normally detract from the prop or subject. When the roll of paper is hung horizontally from a pair of stands and draped across the floor towards the camera the paper forms a large radius sweep or cove that is seamless and creates the illusion that the prop is situated in a vast monochromatic space as in the original post.

The difference between Bob's description and mine is an example of the difference between the shorthand of a seasoned pro and the pedantry of an amateur. 

 

[nickao]

Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.

bob

Fred, it is also known as "seamless backdrop paper". This designation is a little more self explanatory. The no seam/seamless term refers to the elimination of the floor/wall seam that would normally detract from the prop or subject. When the roll of paper is hung horizontally from a pair of stands and draped across the floor towards the camera the paper forms a large radius sweep or cove that is seamless and creates the illusion that the prop is situated in a vast monochromatic space as in the original post.

The difference between Bob's description and mine is an example of the difference between the shorthand of a seasoned pro and the pedantry of an amateur. 

I totally understand what you just said Michael as I am below an amateur in photography.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins???

mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix.  ;D Fred

thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents.

as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic.i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal,i don't cut mortise that close anyway.

The original round pins aren't intended to register in the mortise because that would result in a ridiculously close spacing as you point out. Might as well plough a groove and use a spline.

I can think of a couple of reasons to switch to the new pins. First, it looks the new system costs a lot less. Second, since the original pins are small and round only a very small area bears against the edge of the wood so it can easily be dented. The large flat faces of the nylon pins won't dent the wood.

 

[mastercabman]

Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins???

mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix.  ;D Fred

thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents.

as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic.i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal,i don't cut mortise that close anyway.

The original round pins aren't intended to register in the mortise because that would result in a ridiculously close spacing as you point out. Might as well plough a groove and use a spline.

I can think of a couple of reasons to switch to the new pins. First, it looks the new system costs a lot less. Second, since the original pins are small and round only a very small area bears against the edge of the wood so it can easily be dented. The large flat faces of the nylon pins won't dent the wood.

good point!

 

[johne]

Semenza, I have the cross stop and it's the same as the "old" one.

Mastercabman, you're right the new pins dont register in the mortise. The reason maybe that if you use the cross stop
very close to the domino you cant accidentally hook the pin in the mortise by mistake? Just guessing here.

I like the fact that there's no need to adjust anything.

Fred, in case you ever want to photograph anything you build for example. Try to avoid on camera flash. Try making use of diffused light.  Use some artificial light if needed and diffuse this by bouncing it off a white wall or ceiling. Chose a neutral or not to distracting background. For smaller objects you can use a large piece of paper to get the seamless effect. use some reflectors like styrofoam to brighten darker areas. To avoid perspective distortions in your subject move away from it and use the tele end of your zoom instead of the wide angle.  Enough about photography LOL. (If anyone wants to know something feel free to ask of course) This is turning into the Digital camera owners group  ;D

 

[nickao]

Michael nice explanation on the pins.

I would love to take great pictures. 

I just want to point out that if you are not posting pictures on your web site because you feel no one will buy the stuff because of the pictures bad quality. DON"T think that, post what you have. My pictures suck and I have never had anyone say anything negative about the pictures and only positive about the work. Save one photographer who purchased anyway.

So take pics of your projects . I made this mistake and now I have no pictures of over ten items I made, because the pictures were not that great and I was "embarrassed" by them. As time goes on you can learn to take better pics. I have some pics that are not great by a photographers standard, but since I might only make the item once every 5 years I have to use the pics, that or nothing.

I think "how to photograph your work" should have its complete dedicated section, more than just a thread under general. This way as a festool user I can learn how to take pictures form people who know where I am coming from. I don't much care about taking pics of people, but my woodwork. I think this could be nice on this forum.

Is it worth me putting up a pole to see who would like a dedicated section on "how to take pictures of your work"?

I think under OFF-Topic this would be a really helpful section to those off us in this forum.

What do you think Matthew?

Nickao

 

[johne]

Nickao, If there is an interest in an "how to take pictures of your work"? thread i'd be glad to help

You're absolutely right when you say always take pictures of your work. Craftmanship shows even in a bad picture.
But even more so in a better picture. If i can give some tips or if anyone has any questions just ask.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I have some pics that are not great by a photographers standard, but since I might only make the item once every 5 years I have to use the pics, that or nothing.

Nickao

Where are these pictures? What are these things you sell? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Fred West]

Michael, Johne & Nick, thank you all again. Without any double entendre intended I believe that I am beneath Nick as a photographer.  I love it but stink.  ;D Fred

PS I thought the pins were SUPPOSED to register in the mortise as part of the spacing and really that is not all that close if you do so.

PPSS mastercabman, those shepherds are beautiful. 15 & 21 months, how are they getting along?

 

[Ned]

...No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.

Maybe you're right about the 9-foot (~2.75m) stuff, but some of us non-pros do buy the 53 inch (~135cm) paper.  It's pretty easily available.

26-inch (~66cm) paper is much rarer, but B&H stocks it in New York.  Same stuff, only smaller.

Ned
sometime photographer of small things

 

[mastercabman]

PPSS mastercabman, those shepherds are beautiful. 15 & 21 months, how are they getting along?

hard to keep them apart!!!  the female does have a small dog-to-dog aggression problem,but i'm working on that.
as for the male,he's a big cream puff!!!!!! a full 105 lbs of it!!!!!!

 

[mastercabman]

isn't it funny how this tread got started,and now we are talking about photography and german shepherd!!!!

 

[Fred West]

Mastercabman, I know what you mean about the thread but it is also one of the things that I love about this forum. My nine month old 92 lb rottie is a total cream puff but my 14 1/2 month old 89 lb half shepherd, half rottie is pretty aggresive and my little girl the 12 week old, 21 lb shepherd just thinks she can take on any and everything.  Fred

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Good Morning,
That's an odd change?  I'm trying to think, what are the advantages of the new pin design?
Matt

Here's my guesstimate as to the new "pin" shape.  They no longer register against the true cylindrical end wall of the previously cut mortise, which means they should be less prone to falsely register due to "chaff" (debris) that remained in the previously cut mortise used to reference the new one to be cut.  Same prinicple as is used in many fence and stop systems to prevent sawdust buildup from preventing accurate registry against the stop.  Side motion of the new "pins" is stopped as the pin contacts the junction between the parallel walls of the previously cut mortise and beginning of the cylindrical portion.  The triangular shape of the new pins when viewed from the side enables them to work equally well on all mortise widths in the Domino program.  This change may solve my one gripe about my experiences with my Domino when mortising into the face grain of mediocre Chinese birch plywood and the often resulting "hanging chaff" which throws off registry of successive mortises when using the stops.

Dave R.

 

[Fred West]

Dave, I think you may have hit the nail or in this case the pin on the head.  I have had that issue with the old pins and some chaff so if this eliminates that then I am all for it. I guess what I don't get is that Festool must have had an awful lot of complaints about this to go ahead and change it and if so:

• Why haven't we (FOG) heard about those complaints
  When did this change come into being
  What is being done about older machines like ours to bring them up to snuff?
  
  Fred