new multi battery charger inverter power supply

[Spandex]

https://eu.ecoflow.com/collections/portable-power-station/products/delta1300

Really, the same thing already exists for 40% of the Festool price?

I wonder how long the Festool takes to recharge.

The Ecoflow power bank is much lower spec than the Festool in terms of the watts it can deliver. Whether that's an issue would depend on what someone was planning on running on it. 3300W surge vs 11000W surge is quite the difference though.

I think given the specs, there isn't really much to compete with the Festool at the moment so the price is one of those things where,
if you need that sort of power, you'll justify the cost. There will be tradespeople who have been waiting for something like this and will jump on it as soon as it's available, but I can't see it selling in high numbers (and I'm sure Festool aren't expecting it to).

I imagine there'll be quite a few electricians out there wishing it was a bit cheaper though.

 

[AlexThePalex]

3300W surge vs 11000W surge is quite the difference though.

What kind of tools actually require such a high surge? The tools that have a high start-up surge like a large angle grinder or a big circular saw already have a soft start for years.

Beyond that, the specs don't seem so much different between the two. Festool has 20% more capacity, but that's it.

 

[jimbo51]

This item allows you to use your dust extractors with all your cordless tools. I wonder if it will ever make it to North America since that would involve making a different voltage version. On the other hand, the 220 v would allow a person to use their new 220 v Mafell Erika 70 on a site without 220 v power.

 

[Cheese]

I stumbled upon this yesterday. I certainly like the form factor of the Festool product better. They're talking 1800 running watts for a price of $2200. However the weight is 50#. The batteries are only 10# each but the controller weighs 30#.  [sad]

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[Spandex]

3300W surge vs 11000W surge is quite the difference though.

What kind of tools actually require such a high surge? The tools that have a high start-up surge like a large angle grinder or a big circular saw already have a soft start for years.

Beyond that, the specs don't seem so much different between the two. Festool has 20% more capacity, but that's it.

Well, it's not necessarily one tool on its own requiring a huge surge capacity. Festool are clearly expecting people to connect a dust extractor in addition to whatever tool they're using, so the overhead is already reduced by whatever that happens to be drawing at any given moment. Plus, it gives people the option to stack a SYS-PH underneath and let a whole team run their tools, chargers, radios or sandwich toasters without having to worry about overloading the bank.

Yes, the specs aren't much different, but really there are only two specs that count with a power bank - capacity and current. The Festool exceeds the Ecoflow in both, and by a huge margin when it comes to current. At the end of the day, it's a significantly higher spec product and, unsurprisingly, they're charging more money for that. If someone doesn't need the additional spec, then they probably won't want to spend the additional money either.

This is obviously a product that is only going to appeal to a select group of tradespeople. In much the same way that the STM1800 - a £1200 'work bench' - seems like absolute madness to anyone who doesn't really need one, yet the people who do need one can justify the price easily because there's nothing else quite like it out there at the moment.

 

[Gregor]

I wonder about the IP rating of the device.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I wonder about the IP rating of the device.

IP 44
https://www.kruis.nl/nieuweproducte...estool-sys-powerstation-beschikbaar-jaar-2021

 

[danrush]

On site, I'm completely cordless except for the kapex and ct. I would jump on this quickly if it ever came here, even at that price.  I am SO tired of fighting 5 or 6 other trades for the same two receptacles, cord management,  or realizing that I have a 50 foot cord but really need a 100 footer that day.  Systainer footprint is a big plus for me too. 

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[threesixright]

// watched the video
Anybody on a building side, dragging a cable like that on a scaffold, has no business being there [blink].

The problem with all these "time saving" inventions is this: is the customer now truly profiting? More work in less time = cheaper solution? In the end doesn't the customer just pays for that little bit extra work? Or is it supposed to save on you prozac bill?

 

[Svar]

The problem with all these "time saving" inventions is this: is the customer now truly profiting? More work in less time = cheaper solution? In the end doesn't the customer just pays for that little bit extra work? Or is it supposed to save on you prozac bill?

Are you questioning the benefits of working more efficiently? Try downgrading your tools and ask the customer to "just pay for that little bit extra work". See how the customer likes it.

 

[AlexThePalex]

The problem with all these "time saving" inventions is this: is the customer now truly profiting? More work in less time = cheaper solution? In the end doesn't the customer just pays for that little bit extra work? Or is it supposed to save on you prozac bill?

There have been countless times when I was handicapped by not having mains power around where the work had to be done. I had the choice of not doing it, or completing the job with hand tools. Either way, it cost somebody money.

 

[ScotF]

I think this is great - hope it becomes available in North America. Would be great for all kinds of uses. It is not that expensive compared to other battery storage systems and this type of thing will continue to come down in cost with economies of scale and better and better storage.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I think this is great - hope it becomes available in North America. Would be great for all kinds of uses. It is not that expensive compared to other battery storage systems and this type of thing will continue to come down in cost with economies of scale and better and better storage.

It does have an American outlet - and it is Festool, it will never become cheaper. Only if other brands start to make them.

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[Svar]

Not sure what that is (on picture above), but it's not US outlet.

 

[beeckie]

That’s a C13 outlet. It’s common on UPS devices.

 

[threesixright]

The problem with all these "time saving" inventions is this: is the customer now truly profiting? More work in less time = cheaper solution? In the end doesn't the customer just pays for that little bit extra work? Or is it supposed to save on you prozac bill?

Are you questioning the benefits of working more efficiently? Try downgrading your tools and ask the customer to "just pay for that little bit extra work". See how the customer likes it.

No, working more efficiently is great. But the main effect of this should give you the "edge" over the competition, ergo you can do it faster and/or cheaper? Somebody now first needs to invest 3k for this (and get some ROI)

The thing is, in 95% a building site have a few requirements. Most of it would be minimum electricity and water. The video of FT I saw, is not "there is no power". It implied there is power, yet fiddling with extension cords is a hassle (true). A 3k solution to solve this "hassle" seems a bit far fetched IMO.

Doing a big rebuild myself. First thing the contractor asked: where is water and power. And my point: its my responsiblity to make sure thats available. And if not, I would need to pay extra for him to fix that.

Not saying something like this wouldn't come in handy....

 

[AlexThePalex]

Not sure what that is (on picture above), but it's not US outlet.

Ah, my bad. Then it's probably to attach the cable to charge it.  [embarassed]

The thing is, in 95% a building site have a few requirements. Most of it would be minimum electricity and water.

Well, I would surely appreciate that if it were true beyond the realm of philosophy. When you actually go work in places you'd be surprised how often these things are not available. Think for instance of a building where everything is demolished, stripped to its bare walls because it has been emtpy for a while and the owner wanted to prevent squatters going in. Just one single example of many scenarios.

 

[Spandex]

Yeah, I think Alex is correct that the C13 will be for power in, and whatever is behind the flap will be for power out. Much like the SYS-PH, Festool will just change that covered socket for whichever market they’re selling in. The main issue for the US will be how long it takes them to make a 110v version, not what socket it has. Not that 110v is technically difficult, just that it requires changes and testing, etc, and Festool naturally prioritise the European market.

As for site power, I think over here it’s actually pretty common for sites to be without power at all for periods of time, and even when there is power, it can often be a temporary board set up in a single location - the idea being that you charge batteries there (and brew the tea).

If you have a field full of new builds, they’re not going to set up temporary power in every single house, so the first fix chippies can plug in their dust extractors.

 

[Gregor]

The main issue for the US will be how long it takes them to make a 110v version

Or they make this a 110-240V, 50-60Hz input device and afterwards drop any and all other 110V stuff, since you now can obtain a working converter (with benefits) for your obsolete kind of mains power (which is, when seen from the perspective of worldwide prevalence these days, irrelevant).

 

[Cheese]

Or they make this a 110-240V, 50-60Hz input device and afterwards drop any and all other 110V stuff, since you now can obtain a working converter (with benefits) for your obsolete kind of mains power (which is, when seen from the perspective of worldwide prevalence these days, irrelevant).

I still think this SYS-PowerStation may be an easy way to integrate some of the 230 volt Festool & Mafell tools into the work shop without rewiring the shop or running 75 foot extension cords through the house. I'm thinking BS 75 or BS 105.