New soft close hinges

[mastercabman]

I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.

If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly.

I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges.

I tried last night to post the video,but no luck.Maybe someone can help with this.
Yes i know about closing the door after i switch off and then open and it should be off at that point.Today,went to another job with the same hinges and tried it.Did the same thing.Even turning them off it still has a soft action.

the blum soft close i use you turn both hinges off then close the door and after that they dont soft close anymore

Dean,my boss called Kraftmaid and they also said to turn them off and to do what you describe.But after turning them off(all 3 of them on a door)it still had the soft close action.
I am going to try to post the video on youtube and see if it works.

 

[Deansocial]

wel  cant say for kraftmaid but the blum hinges work great

 

[mastercabman]

Dean,
Kraftmaid is the cabinet CO. The hinges are BLUM.

 

[Deansocial]

these are the type i use http://www.blum.com/gb/en/01/20/12/index.php

 

[mastercabman]

Dean, those are not the one that i'm having problem with.
They are the wrap around for face frame.If you click on the link on the OP you will see what hinges i'm talking about.

 

[mastercabman]

Ok,after watching the video that i made,i need to make another one.Because in the video i got so caught up with this problem that i did not show the door closing "after"i turn the action off.So since i have another job starting tomorow,same cabinet Co., same hinges,i will do another video showing what i'm talking about.

 

[mastercabman]

Ok i think i got this to work.In this video i did not try to shut the door again but it does shows how slow the soft close is.
new soft close hinges

 

[jmbfestool]

Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off.     It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors.    You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength.  Not switching it off. They dont have that function.

If you watch the OP  video LINK you will see what im talking about!   It clearly states adjustable switch for  heavy or light doors

JMB

 

[mastercabman]

Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off.     It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors.    You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength.  Not switching it off. They dont have that function.

JMB

That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol  I -O   I have to assume that it means ON/OFF  Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door)
Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets.

BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow?

 

[Steve R]

Okay let's say for discussions sake that on a small cabinet with two hinges even the light setting is "too slow for someone's taste". Could you just use one of the slow closers and a normal hinge? Just wondering?

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Steve R]

Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off.     It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors.    You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength.  Not switching it off. They dont have that function.

JMB

That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol  I -O   I have to assume that it means ON/OFF  Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door)
Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets.

BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow?

I think it seemed slow...but you never said when you were on what setting.... other hinges have heavy and light settings...

Does the vender have video of both settings?

Cheers,
Steve

 

[jmbfestool]

Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off.     It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors.    You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength.  Not switching it off. They dont have that function.

JMB

That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol  I -O   I have to assume that it means ON/OFF  Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door)
Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets.

BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow?

Well I don't know never held one in my hand just going from the video and internet search.    

About it being slow!  Yes! Looks very slow and kicks in very early  from what I can gather from your video.
They Don't look all tha brilliant to be honest.

Jmb

 

[mastercabman]

Okay let's say for discussions sake that on a small cabinet with two hinges even the light setting is "too slow for someone's taste". Could you just use one of the slow closers and a normal hinge? Just wondering?

Cheers,
Steve

I guess you could but we would have to buy the hinges(without the soft close)
Those new hinges comes with the cabinets

 

[mastercabman]

Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off.     It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors.    You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength.  Not switching it off. They dont have that function.

JMB

That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol  I -O   I have to assume that it means ON/OFF  Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door)
Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets.

BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow?

I think it seemed slow...but you never said when you were on what setting.... other hinges have heavy and light settings...

Does the vender have video of both settings?

Cheers,
Steve

Steve,there was not much difference in the speed in any combination,maybe a little faster when it was all off but nothing like a door shutting with normal hinges
Found this
http://blum.com/compact/us/technics/damper

 

[ccmviking]

  When you slide the little switch to turn off the soft close you have to then fully close the door.  Now when you re-open the  door you should notice the plunger on the soft close is now inward.  The switch just keeps the soft close plunger locked back but you have to fully close the door to push the plunger fully in first.  You can't just click the little switch over and have any change happen.  It will turn OFF the soft close.  You're just a little confused on the brochure because it says it will close faster but still silent close.  That's because they are talking about turning off ONE hinge and still having one hinge turned ON.  IF you turn them both off you won't have any cushion close and the door will close normally.  On a door that size you could probably get by with just one unit turned on.  Take another look tomorrow and make sure the plungers stay retracted after fully closing the door.  IF not you can probably push the plunger manually back and get them to stay if the switch is off.

 

[waynelang2001]

Im not so sure now about these hinges. The OP video says you can switch between light and heavy use. But then the website says the Blumotion can be deactivated, which to me means it should turn off completely.

 

[waynelang2001]

I also think that 3 hinges on that size door is overkill, and could the problem.

 

[jmbfestool]

  When you slide the little switch to turn off the soft close you have to then fully close the door.  Now when you re-open the  door you should notice the plunger on the soft close is now inward.  The switch just keeps the soft close plunger locked back but you have to fully close the door to push the plunger fully in first.  You can't just click the little switch over and have any change happen.  It will turn OFF the soft close.  You're just a little confused on the brochure because it says it will close faster but still silent close.  That's because they are talking about turning off ONE hinge and still having one hinge turned ON.  IF you turn them both off you won't have any cushion close and the door will close normally.  On a door that size you could probably get by with just one unit turned on.  Take another look tomorrow and make sure the plungers stay retracted after fully closing the door.  IF not you can probably push the plunger manually back and get them to stay if the switch is off.

You are talking about the other Blum built in soft closers they have a different soft close mechanism and require you to close the door once you flicked the of switch to turn the soft closer.   You can see in the video the ones your talking about has a moving lever which gets locked back to turn the soft closer OFF.

 But these new built in soft closers posted by the OP are very different If you look at the soft close mechanism they don't work in the same way to the ones your talking about.

Jmb

 

[Mettes]

Are you sure that the soft-close-system is giving you problems?  If you have three hinges that are not perfectly in line you get an effect where the door closes very slow and somtimes doesn't close completly.  Maybe you should try to remove the middle hinge to verify.  Furthermore you have to make sure that the doorrs are ±2mm in front of the cabinets.  If they are stuck against the frame than you can also get the problem you described.

I don't know how many experience you have using this type of hinges, and hope I'm not offending you with these, to an experienced person, very evident remarks.

 

[mastercabman]

Are you sure that the soft-close-system is giving you problems?  If you have three hinges that are not perfectly in line you get an effect where the door closes very slow and somtimes doesn't close completly.  Maybe you should try to remove the middle hinge to verify.  Furthermore you have to make sure that the doorrs are ±2mm in front of the cabinets.  If they are stuck against the frame than you can also get the problem you described.

I don't know how many experience you have using this type of hinges, and hope I'm not offending you with these, to an experienced person, very evident remarks.

That is a good point.I am going to a new job today and will make another video.This time i will close and open and reclose the door to make sure it is off and see what happens.I also will try to remove the middle hinge and see if that does anything different.
This is the first set of cabinets with those new hinges that i'm dealling with,but i'm not new to the "soft close technology"