NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide

[DynaGlide]

So is the scale automatically calibrated to the edge of the guide rails clear strip? This is a great solution.

Looks like you need to calibrate this system like others. You can see a bolt in the flip stop - this must need adjustment.

That's clever. Easy way to adjust for slight variance between different guide rails. This thing is looking pretty tempting to get rid of the MFT fence once and for all.

 

[tjbnwi]

You have to calibrate the TPG. There is not enough variation between my rails to bother calibrating for each rail.

You calibrate to the saw kerf, doing this allows a higher degree of accuracy. How many here have perfect splinter strips on their rails?

Tom

 

[lerabotperche]

someone got the last TSO insider ?  [huh] I've made the request to get it but no news  [sad]

 

[Michael Kellough]

You have to calibrate the TPG. There is not enough variation between my rails to bother calibrating for each rail.

You calibrate to the saw kerf, doing this allows a higher degree of accuracy. How many here have perfect splinter strips on their rails?

Tom

What do you adjust? Just the stop block?

 

[nclemmons]

TSO email is attached for those that did not receive it...


It's about 3mb  in size so give it a minute to open/download.

 

[tjbnwi]

You have to calibrate the TPG. There is not enough variation between my rails to bother calibrating for each rail.

You calibrate to the saw kerf, doing this allows a higher degree of accuracy. How many here have perfect splinter strips on their rails?

Tom

What do you adjust? Just the stop block?

[member=297]Michael Kellough[/member],

Look at the picture TSO posted with the GRS PE on the MFT (reply #74). You’ll see a silver pin contacting the work piece. That is the calibration pin.

Tom

 

[lerabotperche]

TSO email is attached for those that did not receive it...


It's about 3mb  in size so give it a minute to open/download.

[thanks]

 

[Klemm]

link to  TSO INSIDER Archive including TPG Parallel Guide:
      https://us14.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=a153fd474bc42913d95001814&id=1b1e11f7db

All the information we have published so far can be seen via this link.
Resolving the MailChimp emailing issues will take time.

We will post a REPLY on this FOG thread when we have more specific information and how to access it if it goes beyond what is appropriate for posting here.

thanks for your interest and patience!
Hans and especially Eric
(-who has been working behind the scenes dealing with these communication matters)

 

[simonh]

It would be quite nice if instead of multiple track lengths if the tracks were broken down to sections and then bolted together like the Woodpecker parallel guide. Very easy to get the right length for any job and much easier for shipping internationally.

 

[Klemm]

[member=66875]simonh[/member] – your comment is the perfect opportunity to talk about design goals and priorities. We start design with the realization that there will be trade-offs. In the case of the TPG System we ranked its ease of function and performance while in use* as the topmost criteria, outranking such other considerations as cost of shipping (within reason) and storage – for example.

*(while in use means the time from reaching for the tool when you realize it is needed until you return it to its normal resting place).

Based on user feedback we sought the most direct way to get from picking up the Parallel Guide tool to cutting. We targeted the elimination of
• non-essential small parts
• the infamous “some assembly required” and “disassembly required” with tools
• risk of assembled elements becoming loose or out of adjustment or calibration
• wasted time

The result is a product that, above all, is ready for Action – and deactivation in seconds rather than minutes – and reactivation with razor sharp repeatable accuracy without loss of calibration – again in seconds not minutes.
For professional trades people time is money. For hobby woodworkers time is THE finite quantity – you can’t get any more and unlike money, you can’t earn anymore or borrow any more time. In fact none of us know how much we have left. So you can see how highly we rank expected performance .

Some will have different priorities and choose other solutions accordingly.

The TPG-20 LEFT- and RIGHT Hand elements will fit in a SYSTAINER with their GRS-16’s.
The TPG-30 can remain fully assembled with its FlipStop(s) and stored just like a larger T-Square or similar tool. This longer tool and its TPG-50 stable mate can also be slipped into the Storage- and Transport Bag we will introduce.

We expect over time quite a few woodworkers will have more than one TPG track and FlipStop Assembly set up for specific types of jobs. Just like GRS-16 PE’s are finding dedicated jobs in woodshops while its twin is used for various other jobs in order to save time and save set-ups.

Thank you for providing the opportunity to explain our design aims.
Keep the comments and questions coming.

Hans

 

[tjbnwi]

It would be quite nice if instead of multiple track lengths if the tracks were broken down to sections and then bolted together like the Woodpecker parallel guide. Very easy to get the right length for any job and much easier for shipping internationally.

This is why you want a single rail.

Tom

 

[simonh]

Hans, thanks for clarifying your design decisions.

I have the Precision dogs parallel guide and so have a couple of different track lengths. Most of the time the 48" track lengths aren't used so kick around the workshop and don't pack away easily. Also with only a single set of rail connectors there is a time investment in swapping over to the longer tracks. 

I noted that a TPG-56 is been proposed with a longer 56"guide. I'm not sure what would be involved in swapping over to the 56" guide for those odd jobs.  My thought was that an additional 20" length would convert a TPG-36 to TPG-56 and still pack away/ship easily.  I'm sure the problems with the Woodpecker style connector could be overcome with some proper engineering that make the rails positively clip together securely, or having a TSO style level connector between the two rails would pull them together tightly and stop the gap appearing like Tom posted with the Woodpecker (or even machined threaded holes in the rails and connectors rather than relying on the pressure of the grub screws). I would find even longer lengths useful when using the GRS-16PE for repeatable cross-cutting doors and cabinet parts to specific lengths.

 

[DynaGlide]

I think it's inevitable that a 48 or 50 inch length gets dedicated to my mft with the grs pe permanently mounted to the mft hinge and guide rail. Flip out of the way, removable fence for unquestionable square and accurate repeat cross cuts.

 

[tjbnwi]

Hans, thanks for clarifying your design decisions.

I have the Precision dogs parallel guide and so have a couple of different track lengths. Most of the time the 48" track lengths aren't used so kick around the workshop and don't pack away easily. Also with only a single set of rail connectors there is a time investment in swapping over to the longer tracks. 

I noted that a TPG-56 is been proposed with a longer 56"guide. I'm not sure what would be involved in swapping over to the 56" guide for those odd jobs.  My thought was that an additional 20" length would convert a TPG-36 to TPG-56 and still pack away/ship easily.  I'm sure the problems with the Woodpecker style connector could be overcome with some proper engineering that make the rails positively clip together securely, or having a TSO style level connector between the two rails would pull them together tightly and stop the gap appearing like Tom posted with the Woodpecker (or even machined threaded holes in the rails and connectors rather than relying on the pressure of the grub screws). I would find even longer lengths useful when using the GRS-16PE for repeatable cross-cutting doors and cabinet parts to specific lengths.

To swap between rail lengths, remove two lobbed bolts, set 56" rail in place, install two lobbed bolts, transfer stop to 56" rail-----done. Took longer to type this than swap rails.

Tom

 

[dr.r.lam]

Any word as to when pre-orders open?

 

[TSO_Products]

[member=68255]dr.r.lam[/member] - and others:
We hear you!
- look for an announcement January 31 on this FOG thread of a INTRODUCTORY PRICING OFFER for Early Adopters to ship mid-February ahead of the full production launch in March.

Hans and Eric

 

[jasen]

Just looked at the TSO website and the TPG-30R has been added.
The difference is that the TPG-30 includes 1x 20inch T-track and 1x Narrow Stock Rod.

What is the advantage of  20 inch track - so it can stay in the systainer and always connected to the narrow stock Rod for convenience and always calibrated?

Could I just buy the 30 inch T-track and use it for narrow stock? (Ill be buying TPG-30 regardless)

Any chance of beta users showing a video and hands on experience?

Excellent product that I just can't wait to use

Well done TSO!

 

[dr.r.lam]

Just looked at the TSO website and the TPG-30R has been added.
The difference is that the TPG-30 includes 1x 20inch T-track and 1x Narrow Stock Rod.

I think the TPG-30 (regardless of L or R versions) comes with the 30" track.
The 20" track and Narrow Stock rods are optional extras.
If you pre-order the TPG-30, it comes with discount coupons for the 20" track and narrow stock rods I think (which you can purchase when they are released later).

I think the optional extras of additional track and flip-stops allow people to have several sets with pre-set dimensions (rather than adjusting all the time).

 

[jasen]

TPG-30 is $129 included 20 inch with Narrow stock Rod
TPG-30R (and I suspect TPG-30L) is $109

Maybe the TPG-30 product shouldnt be there?

Youre right though, thats what I was thinking, but if you compare the 2 products the diference is whats stated but then 

The Narrow stock rod must be bought with the 20inch T-track?

Makes sensehaving 2 tracks for normal and offset cuts

 

[Pnw painter]

I'm amazed that there parallel guides aren't a lot more expensive. Awesome!!! I can't wait to place my order.