Newest Woodpeck One Time Tool; repeat

I'd like to hear opinions on those two, also.  A few things I've wondered about the Incra...

- It's floppy...
- The T-track is not permanently attached.  May not be square or stay square.
- It's so thin that I wonder how a pencil will stay in the hole as you slide it along to make your line?
 
I have the Incra 6" rule set, and the long 18" rule. I use them from time to time, but I generally prefer the solidity of other rules. The 18" rule has one terrific use, and that is you can use it to measure round a curve because it's bendy. Of course you can use a piece of string too, but if you need to mark off particular lengths it works very well.

I use to use the T-rule a lot, but now I prefer a combination square or the Woodpeckers Paolini rule instead.

In fact, I use the Incra rules so little now that the 6" rule is what I use for the David Charlesworth method of creating a back bevel on hand plane blades.

The angle rule is useful from time to time for internal corners. It's easier to use a saddle square for the external ones.

And RJL is spot on about the T-rule. I cannot trust it to stay square because there is play in the knobs.

I do use the metric 15cm rule to layout dominos however.
 
Own both Incra and Woodpecker rulers. Its much easier to draw lines using a pencil and Incra due to its lower thickness compare to Woodpecker rules. Will definitely need a mechanical pencil for Woodpecker. Yet to try a mechanical pencil for Woodpecker. Not sure, if the length of the lead needed will cause it to break.
 
Hmm...

On their web site, Incra claims to have patented the holes.  Assuming that is true, I'm wondering if Woodpeckers might get in trouble over that?

(Come to think of it, I make holes with my drills at home - I wonder if I need to license the use of holes from them?  [scared])
 
I used the Woodpecker version in the Festool training class I took and loved it.  Of course, couldn't find it afterwards, since it was a one-time tool, so I bought the 150mm Incra version.  The Incra is good, I use it quite often, but it doesn't have the solid feel of the Woodpecker version, and the thin metal has a slight bend in it from some time I wasn't paying too much attention and laid something on top of it.  It straightens out when marking, so it's not a real issue, it just bugs me.

I'll be ordering one of the Woodpecker T-squares.

    Scott
 
GreenGA said:
Well, it looks like Woodpeck is re-releasing their One-Piece T-squares as a one time tool. Guess they were a big enough hit for a second run; and only two years after the initial run.  [blink]

http://www.woodpeck.com/ottonepctsquare.html

The usual disclaimers, yada, yada, yada...
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They should starting calling them "One Time-ish Tools" or perhaps "Two Timing Tools"... [poke]

Looks like I need the metric set.

RMW
 
I have an obsession with the woodpecker tools.  I also have quite a few Incra measuring tools, I always grab the woodpecker tools, although the Incra is sometimes better to use on certain situations.  I just love the quality of both of these tools. Just got an Incra router lift over the pecker, it works so nice.
 
Never had woodpecker gear, but I'm tempted now to get the set...

Let's see if some payments from various outlays I've had come in before the cut off day...
 
Kev said:
I'd love to know what people think of these in comparison to the similar offering from Incra.

I was about to buy the Incra ones ... kinda got a bee in the bonnet over "one time" model [sad]

http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_Precision_T_Rules_Metric_300mm_p/t-rule300m.htm
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    I have both Woodpecker's and Incra in a couple lengths. I have used them both for several years. I much prefer the Woodpecker's when using the holes to draw lines / make marks in a marking gauge fashion. They slide better and because you can use a .9mm instead of a .5 mm the lead breaks less. The fact that a .9mm nearly fills the 1mm holes  makes for very consistent marking.

    If drawing lines long the edge it is a close call but I would still choose the Woodpecker's because sometimes the flexible Incra will allow the pencil to go underneath if it is not held down firmly. The bevel on the Woodpecker's edge makes it so the thickness isn't really a problem.

  I use the Incra when I need 64ths. Or if I need to offset the 'T' so that I can butt one side up against something like an inside corner. Sometimes handy for the scale across the end.

  I like 2B lead. Marks easily so that you don't need to  push down. Which helps prevent breaking the lead in wood grain.

Seth
 
Dangit Seth, your positive reviews are getting expensive for my tool crib. You were spot on re the usefulness of their large squares and everything you say here makes perfect sense. I guess I'm off the fence and ordering, but which... Do you see a real benefit to the set or just one or two sizes?
 
gonna agree with Seth. I only have the incra now but will be getting the woodpeckers almost entirely because of the fact that the .5mm lead needed to use the incra breaks all the time

John
 
Curses!!!

As a strong anti "one time tool" business model advocate I may jus have to compromise my convictions [embarassed] [sad]
 
Kev said:
Curses!!!

As a strong anti "one time tool" business model advocate I may jus have to compromise my convictions [embarassed] [sad]
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LOL, personally I don't understand your contempt of the OTT offerings, but it's hard to turn away from a good tool isn't it.
 
Paul G said:
Kev said:
Curses!!!

As a strong anti "one time tool" business model advocate I may jus have to compromise my convictions [embarassed] [sad]
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LOL, personally I don't understand your contempt of the OTT offerings, but it's hard to turn away from a good tool isn't it.
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How on earth can you not understand!!! [eek]

It's sooo simple:

1. They've made a tool in the past that you want - but bad luck, you can't have one now and
2. They're offering a tool you can't figure out if you'll ever need today, but you must buy it now or miss out.

To be clear ... I'm very much OK with you being comfortable with the model - it's my issue and my contempt!
 
Kev said:
Paul G said:
Kev said:
Curses!!!

As a strong anti "one time tool" business model advocate I may jus have to compromise my convictions [embarassed] [sad]
Click to expand...

LOL, personally I don't understand your contempt of the OTT offerings, but it's hard to turn away from a good tool isn't it.
Click to expand...

How on earth can you not understand!!! [eek]

It's sooo simple:

1. They've made a tool in the past that you want - but bad luck, you can't have one now and
2. They're offering a tool you can't figure out if you'll ever need today, but you must buy it now or miss out.

To be clear ... I'm very much OK with you being comfortable with the model - it's my issue and my contempt!
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OK, I understand your perspective here, but I doubt it makes business sense to stock them all. It's kinda like Chevy remaking a classic model, pretty sure I'll never see a '57 Bel Air roll off the factory again no matter how much pleading, but I'm pretty sure we'll see the large woodpecker framing and carpenter squares again, especially with enough requests.
 
SRSemenza said:
...They slide better and because you can use a .9mm instead of a .5 mm the lead breaks less. The fact that a .9mm nearly fills the 1mm holes  makes for very consistent marking.

...I like 2B lead. Marks easily so that you don't need to  push down. Which helps prevent breaking the lead in wood grain.
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Seth,

Are you using Woodpecker's mechanical pencil or another brand?  Where do you get the refills?

For finish carpentry, I use a #2.5 lead pencil.  I learned about them from Gary Katz.  He gives them out at his roadshow events.  These seminars are free and well worth attending if he ever comes to your area.  www.katzroadshow.com

Thanks,

Joe
 
I, too, agree with Seth.  I have the 12 1/2" Woodpeck and a 12" Incra, as well as a 12"  General brand that is a copy of the Incra (or vice-versa), the only difference being the width -- the Incra is wider and has more holes for marking.

The .9mm mechanical pencil you use with the Woodpeck is better, especially if marking on grainy wood like QSWO, than the .5mm lead you need for the Incra.  Far less breakage.

An advantage of the Incra is that the flat ruler can come off of the end piece in case you want to use it in the middle of a piece of wood, not on the edge.  It is easy to put it back together, and there is a little ridge on top of the end piece that the ruler part butts up against for alignment.

The only problem I have with the Woodpeck unit is the red anodizing has faded to a pink.  I have other Woodpeck measuring tools with the same anodizing and none of the others have faded.  It does not affect the use -- the markings are still clear and unfaded -- so I've never contacted Woodpeck about it.  I figure it'll be worth a lot of money if I ever sell it:  one-of-a-kind.

Both are useful, but if I could only buy one, I'd get the Woodpeck before it goes away again.

Steve
 
jtwood said:
The only problem I have with the Woodpeck unit is the red anodizing has faded to a pink.  I have other Woodpeck measuring tools with the same anodizing and none of the others have faded.  It does not affect the use -- the markings are still clear and unfaded -- so I've never contacted Woodpeck about it.  I figure it'll be worth a lot of money if I ever sell it:  one-of-a-kind.

Both are useful, but if I could only buy one, I'd get the Woodpeck before it goes away again.

Steve
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I have a couple that have faded to pink, but only on the larger items. Most notably the 18" Bevel Triangle.

Seth
 
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