North American TS60 doesn't have PlugIt??

[bwehman]

Just saw this on Festool Live today... Totally bummed about this if true. I often just leave a single plug-it cord in the main dust extractor and just switch tools as needed. The reason given was to give it all the power they can, but the TS 75 is a plug-it and I would assume that has more power draw than the brushless TS 60? Anybody know the reasoning here? Seems like an off-brand decision.

 

[Distinctive Interiors]

I just checked online and looked at the 110v version of that saw that's available here in the UK......Its got a Plug It lead...!!

Why would Festool feel the need to remove the Plug It cord connection on the US version, when technically,  the loading of the 2 saws would be almost identical...?

 

[squall_line]

I guess I should have tuned in (although it's much quicker to watch it at 1.25 or 1.5 speed and without all of the intro and outro later). 

Just checked it out; Sedge claimed "we wanted to get it here quickly, and we didn't want to stahve the motor of power."  The feed cut out, but it sounded like they might one day go to plug-it, but don't know what it will take to get the current they need.

The top RPM have been increased to 6800 RPM, and when you take into account the larger blade, that's a pretty big increase in blade tip speed.

 

[guybo]

Hi, looks to me a plug-it can be added @anytime,also see comment from fusa

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Hi, looks to me a plug-it can be added @anytime,also see comment from fusa

Probably voids the warranty in the process.

This lack of Plug-it seems ridiculous to me. How could that possibly be any faster?
The TS75 has Plug-it, so I'm calling BS on this

 

[mcooley]

Interesting. Like he said their designers listen in terms of improvements like the "level back end of the saw" for blade changes etc. The plunge handle might also be an improvement besides the knobs. I wonder how much it wants to still tip in the 45 degree cut etc.

But no plug-it just seems totally backwards and if it does indeed exist in Europe then even crazier. But hey they made sure the new hose fitting is backward compatible!

What a weird culture at Festool. The ratio of designers to engineers if like in the past might still be heavily weighted on the engineer side.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

If this bit of stupid turns out to be true, I'll do all I can to get ahold of a UK unit.

 

[peter halle]

I'll throw out a spitball theory.  Perhaps some of the delay that we have always experienced here in North America with new tool introductions has had something to do in part with delays in getting the required approvals due to something with the plug-it connectors.

Personally I would rather see that tool here without the plug-it sooner versus waiting.  It has been quite some time since I actually am excited to see a new tool.  Maybe because it is a new tool and not an evolutionary refresh.

Just my  [2cents].

Peter

 

[bwehman]

I was thinking this too. The fact that Sedge mentioned wanting to get it here sooner was the big clue. And I think the supposed rush would make sense given the timing and hype of Milwaukee's new track saw. Pretty strategic.

Willing to bet that they'll quietly change it to PlugIt as soon as they can. It seems like they went through some great lengths to streamline SKUs, like sharing this TS 60 blade with the new table saw, and even having both imperial and metric scales on the same saw rather than forcing a choice between two versions. I bet it's irritating them to have to have a one-off version without PlugIt.

 

[woodferret]

Needs more power, yet plugs it into the CT Vac. 

 

[squall_line]

I was thinking this too. The fact that Sedge mentioned wanting to get it here sooner was the big clue. And I think the supposed rush would make sense given the timing and hype of Milwaukee's new track saw. Pretty strategic.

Willing to bet that they'll quietly change it to PlugIt as soon as they can. It seems like they went through some great lengths to streamline SKUs, like sharing this TS 60 blade with the new table saw, and even having both imperial and metric scales on the same saw rather than forcing a choice between two versions. I bet it's irritating them to have to have a one-off version without PlugIt.

This is too logical for me to accept at this time on a Friday evening.  Darn you.

 

[NiteWalkerGR]

Yeah that was a huge bummer for me as well. I was on the fence about selling my ts55 to upgrade to the ts60 but lack of a plugit is a deal killer for me. That's probably one of my top three favorite features of the festool system. Hopefully they change to a plugit in the future, but for now, I'll stick with my ts55.

 

[slavi.yordanov]

I was thinking this too. The fact that Sedge mentioned wanting to get it here sooner was the big clue. And I think the supposed rush would make sense given the timing and hype of Milwaukee's new track saw. Pretty strategic.

Willing to bet that they'll quietly change it to PlugIt as soon as they can. It seems like they went through some great lengths to streamline SKUs, like sharing this TS 60 blade with the new table saw, and even having both imperial and metric scales on the same saw rather than forcing a choice between two versions. I bet it's irritating them to have to have a one-off version without PlugIt.

Milwaukee’s track saw is cordless, so I don’t see the ts60 being in the same category/market.

It’s not like I was looking at buying one, but to not have one of the main festool features is weird. Kind of like a battery tool limited to one battery size (CTC wink, wink)

Is a TSC60 in the works? I’ll be interested in that one.

 

[Cheese]

This is pretty strange...so Festool suddenly feels the need to RUSH the TS 60 to the US while it took them 5 years to slow walk the Vac Sys to the States along with other tools that are still not available here?

I like Sedge but he is after all, just an extension of the marketing arm of Festool. He may be entertaining, he may be cute/funny, and to some, he may even be obnoxious but he is still just a marketeer at heart. He may feel he comes across differently because that's the area he owns and he knows, but that's not where he eventually lands.

Just noticed that the newly released TSV 60 has an amperage rating of 1500W +190W.
The TS 75 has an amperage rating of 1600W
The TS 60 has an amperage rating of 1500W

So...The TSV 60 has a Plug-it.
The TS 75 has a Plug-it.
However the TS 60 does not have a Plug-it because current draw may be an issue?
What's wrong with this program?  There's something else happening here. [sad]

 

[squall_line]

Is the TSV brushless like the TS60?  The 75 is brushed, I believe.  I don't know how much "clean power" has to do with the requirements.  Although the TS55 is brushless, too?  I can't keep any of them straight anymore.

If it's a UL listing they're after, this does feel like they rushed it to market to try to capture/maintain job site guys, since it can use the FSK rails.  Demonstrating that it can cut an LVL beam in one pass and mentioning that it can finally cut all the way through a 2x4 at a 45 degree angle sounds like they're aiming this at the people they disappointed with the HK 55.

That said, if they were going to rush anything into the states to use on the FSK rails, how about rushing over a few HK 85s?

 

[Cheese]

That said, if they were going to rush anything into the states to use on the FSK rails, how about rushing over a few HK 85s?

AMEN...I've never been able to understand the Festool marketeers, and over the years I really doubt they have a strong/clear vision for the future. In the last several years, they seem to have adopted an ad hoc position.

The engineering group seems strong...the marketeers...not so much. Then again, marketing is not that far removed from sales,  on a DNA level, and we all know the stumbling blocks that the promotion of unfettered sales produce.

 

[tjbnwi]

I must be the odd man out. I get a new tool, lock in the Plug-It cord, unless the cord needs to be removed to place the tool back into the Systainer the cord never gets removed.

Tom

 

[morts10n]

I switched a bunch of tools to plug-it pigtails for conformity. After 3 months I switched them all back. I like individual cords and plug everything that Im using
into a powerstrip that is plugged in a Midi or CT26. The powerstrip is mounted to a plywood platform that locks onto a systainer parked on top of CT

 

[ChuckM]

The Plug-it is definitely better, but it is no deal killer even though I use just one cord with my CT15 for the Domino Joiner and the Pro5 sanders.

So between waiting for a year(?) or even two and having a TS 60 to use immediately, I'd for sure get a non Plug-it version. The benefits of the TS60 over the TS55 and TS75 make the type of plug a non issue in comparison. If the plug were a determining factor, I wouldn't have got the Kapex, which isn't on the Plug-it platform.

 

[bwehman]

The Plug-it is definitely better, but it is no deal killer even though I use just one cord with my CT15 for the Domino Joiner and the Pro5 sanders.

So between waiting for a year(?) or even two and having a TS 60 to use immediately, I'd for sure get a non Plug-it version. The benefits of the TS60 over the TS55 and TS75 make the type of plug a non issue in comparison. If the plug were a determining factor, I wouldn't have got the Kapex, which isn't on the Plug-it platform.

Who knows, maybe the 2023 non-Plug-it version will be some weird unicorn tool that always sells for crazy high prices on eBay, ha. Special edition and we don't even know it yet.