Novice hates parallel guides, MFT and TS55!

attorneygzc said:
Call me an idiot, but after purchasing the TS55 and parallel guides I was excited about making a book case for my daughter. I purchased the material, made my cuts and when trying to put the case together, I realized all of my cuts were crooked. Doesn't this stuff come squared right out of the box?
Please help guys.

Hey don't feel too bad.  Try to learn from the experience.  The TS55 is right the rail is right, but the parallel guides need to be hooked and you should check them for square before use in case you need to calibrate it.  Even with my big table saw (I mostly use my ts55/mft3 now) I make a test cut with scrap and throw a square up on it just to make sure before I cut the good stuff.  I see others posted a good youtube link to some vids and there are good ones.  Brice has some good simple ones.  Take your time learn to use it and enjoy you will trust me.  If still po'd let me know I'm getting ready to add the lr32 parallel guides to the stable and I'll take it off your hands. 
 
Geez, some of you guys are merciless.  Give the guy a break.

I think that Brice said it best in that you are learning the "ins and outs" of the system that you are working with.  I am sure that if you stick with it, search the internet, and keep asking questions on here (and elsewhere), most people will be able to help you out.  I too am not a carpenter but am instead a "home use enthusiast" and had (and still do have) quite a bit of learning to do.  If you are not using the tools everyday as professionals do, its going to take you longer.  If you don't have the experience, like I don't, its going to take you a little longer.

Best advice that I can give you is to keep trying, keep asking, and enjoy what you are doing (even though at times it can be frustrating).

Regards,
Chuck
 
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You may want to consider practicing making boxes (with lids). Nothing big... shoe box or cigar box size. Usually one can find enough scraps in their shop to whip something out. Since you bookshelf did not work out as planned, you probably have more scrap than you care to think about.

I suggesting boxes because to be right they need, to be square in every direction for the lid to function properly. Almost every joinery method can be employed.

With regards to thing being square... even if your plywood cam from the borg square as a sheet, it is never ever square across its thickness. For best results the only way that you can guarantee the squareness of anything is square it yourself, then verify it.

Regarding the parallel guides, they are what they are,..... parallel guides. As you have seen first hand, just because two opposing edges are parallel does not mean that they are square.  A parallelogram has all it's opposing sides parallel to each other but they are not square unless in fact, the shape is a square or rectangle.

You did not just wake up one morning and then **POOF** you were a lawyer. It took education and practice. Carpentry (or any other trade for that matter) is no different.
 
Chuck Wilson said:
Geez, some of you guys are merciless.  Give the guy a break.

Agreed! I'm all for teasing old-timers but folks who are brand new to the forum - and woodworking - should, IMO, get nothing but encouragement (unless they're being completely obnoxious).

I'm pretty new to Festool and doing any sort of "serious" woodworking (i.e. trying to make things that really look nice and professional rather than just slapping some stuff together to make shelves for the basement). One thing I know though - both from reading online and talking to carpenter friends is that it pays to invest in some good measuring equipment; because you'll be using that to double check all of your other tools. Before my TS-75 even arrived I ordered a decent - not even super fancy but decent - engineers square:
http://www.amazon.com/Diefenbacher-Graduated-Engineers-Square-9/dp/B000VRIFY0/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1273933244&sr=1-15

and precsion 24" metal ruler (can't find the link for the one I bought - incra makes some nice ones and woodcraft sells some nice ones, but mine was cheaper).

I quickly realized that I'd also need a very precise LARGE square and the steel framing square I had wasn't going to cut it - you need one that's thick and has a heel that can align it with one of the edges. I saw on here that a of guys swear by the 18" Woodpeckers Carpenter's Triangle, and I have yet to find anything that matches it in terms of size, thickness and build quality...

http://www.woodpeck.com/speedsquare.html

I got one, and use it ALL THE TIME. I'm still at the point where I don't totally trust my set up MFT fence + guide-rail system, so I still double check my corners for square after every 3 or 4 cuts, and that woodpecker triangle is the business - both for doing the setup of the rail + fence and for checking the pieces (I will say, that my DIY MFT + fence works great and stays where I set it, I'm just paranoid and like to double check a lot). That triangle is also handy when using the guide rail "freehand" as I will use it both for drawing my cut line and  to double check it before clamping by  butting the square up against the back of the guide rail. The thickness of the triangle really comes in handy when doing this kind of thing and when using it to check your table setup, since the little curved edges on the side of the guide rail don't make good contact with a very thin square/triangle.

The downsides to that triangle are:
- the cost
- the fact that you're paying for a milled MDF holder for it (that I never use), when a box would be fine
- (most importantly to me) WoodPeckers are SLOW with processing orders - it took me like 2 weeks to get it, which may be fine for some, but as internet-age kind of guy, I expect it in 5 days or less. I hate ordering from WoodPeckers for that reason.

...so if anyone here can point out something comparable, please do - I haven't found anything!

I spent my first 20 hours or so just playing with my stuff, building little jigs, putting t-track into table tops for clamping / guide rails, making a fence for my miter saw, setting things up, making cuts, checking for square, checking for parallel, calibrating fence rulers. Learning *how to* test for square (e.g. the "5-cut method" for testing fence squareness)... breaking down, setting up again, making cuts, checking for square again, etc... It's not very productive in any real sense, so once I was getting a feel for it, I started building stuff just for my shop for storage and things - if they were a little off, I didn't care that much and learned more lessons from it. Now I'm getting comfortable and moving on to building "real" things - simple plywood-box type cabinets for starters. It takes time, but it's worth it - the best thing I've learned, which has been a hard lesson, is that woodworking requires patience and mindfulness - two things I really need more of!

Cheers and good luck!
Chris
 
Eiji Fuller said:
Get to know your equipment first. buy a square for goodness sake. then report back.

Would you call a saw faulty if out of the box it didnt cut at 90deg when set to 0? no, if you did I would have to call you an _______!

The things you didnt do first are called "making adjustments"

Good luck.

I think if you buy a miter saw that the factory should have squared it up 100% for you !  I have never checked new ones on over 12 miters saws I bought, except my kapex I did check and it was right on.

but I agree you must square stuff up especially the mft table and the parrell guides also.
 
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I think if you buy a miter saw that the factory should have squared it up 100% for you !  I have never checked new ones on over 12 miters saws I bought, except my kapex I did check and it was right on.

but I agree you must square stuff up especially the mft table and the parrell guides also.
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I'd like to think that items from the factory are set to " specs", (let alone my own preferences) but that's rarely the case.  I always assume a bit of time will be required to tune a new tool. 

Dan
 
Thanks for all the advice and even the sarcasm. I went to a festool training/demo and was able to learn so much with your help and the demo. Everything is all square.
 
Nice! now you just need a few more things like some sanders, domino, routers ......
 
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