OF 1010 and guide bushes

[Jak147]

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice.
I'm site based and have a run of 20+ doors to hang! I already have the trend hinge jig and lock jig and have decided that while my little desalt router has performed this task adequately for over ten years, this job 'warrants' a new 1/4" router.
My question is how easy are the guide bushes to change on the of1010 from what I can see they are the screw on type that needs tobe  centered each time they are changed.
This maybe a deal breaker for me as the little router gets used for edge finishing and rounding over a lot too and messing with guide bushes is painfull. Also I can't see a 16mm festool guide bush which is what the jig is designed for.
Any input would be great fully received
Thanks in advance
Jamie

 

[Timtool]

Indeed you need center the guide bush each time place it, this is a strangely inferior system for Festool. It's much easier on the OF2200.
My previous Bosch routers all had the same bushes that locked without tools or adjustment, festool has different ones for each router. The only advantage is that on the OF2200 by example you have large bushes with openings in it so that the dc still works through it.

I am not aware of a 16mm ring for festool, the closest is 17mm, what is the size of cutter that is used with the jig? I hate it when Jig makers make them for routers or tools that they only sell. I have the trend dovetail jig which works with a bush that is 11,1mm or so... and had to buy their awful adapter plate that barely fits the OF1010.

 

[Jak147]

I too have a big Bosch router with the clip in style bushes which is why I was confused by the old school system on the of1010.
Tim
The jig uses a 12mm cutter and 16mm bush. Both of which seem red illy available for all other makes of router.
The jig is set by placing the hinge and a 4mm packer into the aperture and sliding an adjustable block up to them. I guess a 5mm packer instead would allow the 17mm bush to work though the width setting would need an eyeballed 1mm extra. That setting isn't all that accurate to start with on the trend jig.
Been thinking about this most of the morning and checking concentricity every time the bush is set isn't an option.

Another problem is that the lock jig runs with a 12mm cutter and 30mm bush. An adapter is supplied that slips over the 16mm bush to save from swapping bushes. Obviously this wouldn't work with a festool 17mm bush and even more centring would be required in a working day  :-\   

 

[cje]

This is not going to help Jak, but mayby one of our dogs & domiplate suppliers could come up with a bushing 'plate' that gets screwed permanently under the OF1010, and needs centering just once. The inside threaded hole of the plate is big enough to host the largest bushing. Then all bushings can be screwed on or off without recentering.

 

[GarryMartin]

You can fit an adapter plate to the OF1010 that allows you to use Porter Cable type screw in guide bushes.

You're looking for 469625 "SLEEVE OF 1010 EQ USA". Check out http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/469625-sleeve-of-1010-eq-usa.html although the price may be a little wrong at the moment - I paid £10.99 a few weeks ago. Amazingly due to some price changes for spares, it now really is only £1.57!

Once you have this, you can then use screw in bushes such as the below set (which incidentally includes a 16mm one)

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-metric-threaded-guidebush-set

Hope this helps.

[EDIT - Confirmation that the £1.57 price is correct]

 

[sancho57]

I had a adaptor plate which allows ,me to use PC bushings in the kit when I bought it.

 

[GarryMartin]

I had a adaptor plate which allows ,me to use PC bushings in the kit when I bought it.

I'm guessing you bought your OF 1010 when you were in the US? I believe it used to come with the adaptor although I'm not sure it still does (see http://www.nhwoodworker.com/of1010/index.html)

In the UK, screw-type guide bushes aren't common, so the adaptor doesn't ship with the router.

 

[Jak147]

Gary thank you
That is absolutely perfect ;D I shall be placing an order for the router tomorrow!
Are there any other must have bits for the OF1010
That pricing is crazy, Axminster wants £20 for an after market part!
Not that it's going to make any real difference but will the guide bush set fit in the sys with the router?
Thanks again
Jamie

 

[Sparktrician]

You can fit an adapter plate to the OF1010 that allows you to use Porter Cable type screw in guide bushes.

You're looking for 469625 "SLEEVE OF 1010 EQ USA". Check out http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/469625-sleeve-of-1010-eq-usa.html although the price may be a little wrong at the moment - I paid £10.99 a few weeks ago. Amazingly due to some price changes for spares, it now really is only £1.57!

Once you have this, you can then use screw in bushes such as the below set (which incidentally includes a 16mm one)

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-metric-threaded-guidebush-set

Hope this helps.

[EDIT - Confirmation that the £1.57 price is correct]

One thing I found was that when using the Festool adapter to fit P-C bushings to the OF 1010, the adapter fits so tightly in its place that there is absolutely no wiggle room to allow for centering the bit in the bushing.  The Leigh Jigs #704R adapter (http://www.leighjigs.com/ugs.php) is a slightly looser fit that does allow for slight centering adjustment.  Used with a bushing that comes with a centering mandrel, this has proven to be the right thing in my world. 

 

[GarryMartin]

Get the "Set" version rather than the "Plus" version as you'll get the FS 800/2 rail for essentially £20, and that's a very useful size to have, especially if you have a TS saw too. The guide rail adapter is in either version.

http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-router-of-1010-ebq-set-gb-240v.html (assuming you want 240V of course)

I have some extra components that allow the 1010 to be used as an edge trimming router, but they add about £120 or so to the cost.

486052 Festool Angle Arm WA-OF
486534 Festool Copier Scanning set KT-OF
486058 Festool Edging Plate UP-OF
486242 Festool Chip Guard SF-OF

(See http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-how-to/rabbets-with-the-of-1010-and-copy-scanner-set/ for some ideas and to get a feel for how they work)

Maybe the MFS 400 or MFS 700 profiles (but again, you're talking upwards of £150 minimum).

Other than that, it ships with 8mm and 1/4" collets, so not really a whole lot more to add as accessories; at least not that I've seen and thought "that would be useful"...

The UJK Technology Guide Bush set does fit in the SYS with the OF1010.

 

[GarryMartin]

The Leigh Jigs #704R adapter (http://www.leighjigs.com/ugs.php) is a slightly looser fit that does allow for slight centering adjustment.

For those in the UK that may be interested, Axminster also sells these.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/leigh-adaptors-for-threaded-guide-bushes?sel=310023

 

[Jak147]

Thanks again, will definitely get the extra rail and screw in bushes though I can't think of any uses for the copy scanner thingy as I have plenty of bearing guided bits but that's not to say if don't 'need' one. I will speak to my festool man tomorrow and see what he can come up with....

 

[sancho57]

I had a adaptor plate which allows ,me to use PC bushings in the kit when I bought it.

I'm guessing you bought your OF 1010 when you were in the US? I believe it used to come with the adaptor although I'm not sure it still does (see http://www.nhwoodworker.com/of1010/index.html)

In the UK, screw-type guide bushes aren't common, so the adaptor doesn't ship with the router.

Yea mines US Spec. They do change the pkgs every now and then. They used to provide the edge guide with the 1010, but I had to buy my own when I got mines cuz they stopped that.

 

[festivus]

Gary - very helpful info - coming from the Trend / Elu world I got my OF1010 out the other day to do some guide bush work and realised I had no idea what I needed!

What is the Festool way of doings things - they don't do a set that I can find - and I only can see a few copy ring sizes? Do you need to centre with these if you've tried these?

And if I get the little Festool adapter you posted - then the Axminster set will work with that - again do you find you need to centre? The Leigh adapter is a lot more expensive!

Many thanks.

 

[GarryMartin]

If you want the alignment to be perfect, you'll need to get hold of a centering mandrel. Festool do a stepped one that works in 1/4" and 8mm collects, part 492187.

http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-centering-mandrel-zd-of-d-6-358.html

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I haven't seen a set of Festool copy rings, but that isn't to say they don't exist. I have the Festool original 17mm, 30mm and 40mm for my OF 1010, and the adapter ring and UJK Technology set of screw bushings that I mentioned. The Festool ones are attached with two screws to the base. The UJK ones obviously screw into the adapter.

 

[festivus]

Thanks.

 

[John Shefford]

Only just seen this thread so probably to late but I use a 13 mm cutter with my OF1010 router and trend jig. Works well ,can use same packer only thing that changes is radius of corners are 6.5 mm instead of 6mm

 

[Wuffles]

Rather than start a new thread, perhaps add to this one.

Looking to do some inlay work, will probably get the Leigh 704 adaptor as having just switched out the guide bush on an of1010 I know how fiddly it is so don't want to be doing that again.

Which inlay kit would people recommend that's available in the UK and will fit that adaptor? Trend do one but the only review I can find is someone moaning about it only being able to manage veneer thickness - I don't do veneers, just chunky stuff. There's a Whiteside kit which gets good reviews but I'm not entirely sure of the contents with the uk supplier.

Did some bow-tie/dutchman/butterfly joints the other day, the hard way. I don't fancy my sanity will hold out if I have to do that again.

Cheers all.

 

[Stone Message]

The OF1010 can accept a number of screw in guide rings once an adapter is installed (as Garry Martin points out). Centring is required but it is not difficult. Rather than put links to the videos here is a link to the OF1010 thread that shows the two videos about the machine and it covers most of the issues described above:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/festool-of-1010-router-videos/

I am in the middle of making a video showing the construction of a simple chair and I am about to install the guide bush adapter in my OF1010 in order to fit a 30 mm guide bush for some trammel work.

Peter

 

[Wuffles]

Hi Peter. Morning!

Yes, I've got most of that (seen the videos I think too), in fact using the mandrel on the OF1010 is what's prompted me to go for the threaded adaptor. The mandrel is a faff to repeat over and over on the 1010, mostly due to the lack of a ratchet IMO.

I'm specifically asking about the inlay sets though. Which ones fit the Leigh adaptor in the UK. I didn't think that was in the video, correct me if I'm wrong though.