OF 1010 play

[Stone Message]

Sent PM.

Hi
I have passed the P.M over to my colleague in Lithuania so he should be in touch with you.
rg
Phil

Hi Phil

Ostap has now PM'd me via YouTube and I have referred him back to his parent Festool HQ - presumably that is Lithuania. He does not appear to have been contacted yet.

I have told the OP to talk to Festool who will investigate this on his behalf.

Peter

 

[Ostap]

Just for update.
Phil's colleague did not contact me, but I was in contact with Festool Baltics myself.
Long story short, they stand with the decision that such play is normal for OF 1010.
I think this road has reached its end, I'm sure they did the best they could under the circumstances.

Looking last night the Peters video about inlays I had trouble imagining doing similar thing with my OF, so I asked for his advise. Of course I should have guessed he is FOG member and actually familiar with the case
I'm currently trying to establish connection with Festool DE and try to get to some reasonable solution.

Will LYK about the results.

 

[Stone Message]

If I could reach out and help Ostap I would but I am sure that Festool HQ will be on the case very soon. From the video it looks like a genuine problem.

My OF1010 is perfect and has absolutely no play between the shafts and their bearings.

Peter

 

[Phil Beckley]

Just for update.
Phil's colleague did not contact me, but I was in contact with Festool Baltics myself.
Long story short, they stand with the decision that such play is normal for OF 1010.
I think this road has reached its end, I'm sure they did the best they could under the circumstances.

Looking last night the Peters video about inlays I had trouble imagining doing similar thing with my OF, so I asked for his advise. Of course I should have guessed he is FOG member and actually familiar with the case
I'm currently trying to establish connection with Festool DE and try to get to some reasonable solution.

Will LYK about the results.

Hi Ostap
My colleague got back to me that the machine was fine when tested. I have informed him about this and again asked the he contact you direct.
rg
Phil

 

[Ostap]

My colleague got back to me that the machine was fine when tested. I have informed him about this and again asked the he contact

Thanks Phil, but I honestly believe Festool LT already did everything in their power here. There is no broken part (I think) in my device Festool LT could have replaced.

The fact that another router in the shop has similar play kinda indicates that there is some mass-prod issue, either deliberate or non-deliberate. In my opinion bushings used are just produced wrong and oversized. There is no point to replace existing busing with spare one that comes from the same box.

Inspired by fshanno, I created two short videos about my OF1010 (these videos were shared with Festool LT).
I took a scrap piece of OSB and clamped router with 5 mm hole drilling bit to it. When zoomed in, you can actually see how much router bit moves compared to work piece when knob in not tight (0:21).


I drilled 3 holes to the test piece. First two were done with knob being loose, third one with as much tight as possible. I intentionally wiggled with router to the level of the play, but did not use any force, just fingertips.

As you can see, the left two holes are fully unacceptable, the 5mm plug just falls into the hole. in 0:37 in the video you can see how oversize the hole is. The third gets very close to acceptance but is still worse comparing 5mm hole I drilled into the same wood by hand. (Please ignore the leftmost hole as I did it before I clamped router, so its size is not informative)

As per Festool LT they consulted with German colleagues and suggested to upgrade to OF1400 if I am interested in precision, I'm on my way to get statement from Festool DE directly whether the videos above are really what one could expect from OF 1010. The information can then be used by customers choosing which product to purchase.

 

[Locks14]

Just for update.
Phil's colleague did not contact me, but I was in contact with Festool Baltics myself.
Long story short, they stand with the decision that such play is normal for OF 1010.
I think this road has reached its end, I'm sure they did the best they could under the circumstances.

Looking last night the Peters video about inlays I had trouble imagining doing similar thing with my OF, so I asked for his advise. Of course I should have guessed he is FOG member and actually familiar with the case
I'm currently trying to establish connection with Festool DE and try to get to some reasonable solution.

Will LYK about the results.

Hi Ostap
My colleague got back to me that the machine was fine when tested. I have informed him about this and again asked the he contact you direct.
rg
Phil

This is brilliant!

Festool's advice is if you want precision you have to buy an OF1400.  [eek]

That's like buying a brand new BMW 3 series with a defective steering rack and when complaining BMW saying "oh you wanted a car that goes in a straight line? You should really upgrade to a 5 series!"

 

[Holmz]

...
As per Festool LT they consulted with German colleagues and suggested to upgrade to OF1400 if I am interested in precision, I'm on my way to get statement from Festool DE directly whether the videos above are really what one could expect from OF 1010. The information can then be used by customers choosing which product to purchase.

Thanks Ostap, you've certainly helped my decision making.

Are you in Talin? (it is the only place I have been there, but it was very gorgeous).

 

[Gary in Texas]

I really don't understand how this much play can be acceptable with the OF1010...  As "fshanno" mentioned above, using this with the LR32 system would leave your holey rail rendered useless, before and after, as your bit would be gouging out the aluminum with each plunge!

I guess I need to inspect my 1010 and holey rail when I get home this evening.....

Gary

 

[GarryMartin]

I really don't understand how this much play can be acceptable with the OF1010...  As "fshanno" mentioned above, using this with the LR32 system would leave your holey rail rendered useless, before and after, as your bit would be gouging out the aluminum with each plunge!

I'm not sure whether you have the LR32, but the holes in the "holey" rail are there for alignment. The router cutter does not go anywhere near them so the bit wouldn't be gouging out the aluminium with each plunge.

Having said that, in my mind, the videos clearly show an unacceptable level of "wobble" and my own OF 1010 displays no such movement and is very accurate.

I'm not questioning the original poster regarding his communications as I have no visibility of them, but I'd be amazed if Festool actually suggested buying an OF 1400 rather than an OF 1010 if you want precision.

 

[Wuffles]

I'm not questioning the original poster regarding his communications as I have no visibility of them, but I'd be amazed if Festool actually suggested buying an OF 1400 rather than an OF 1010 if you want precision.

I'd be surprised too, if it weren't for...

Hi Ostap
My colleague got back to me that the machine was fine when tested. I have informed him about this and again asked the he contact you direct.
rg
Phil

Which makes it sound like perhaps in Lithuania they might say things like that.

 

[GarryMartin]

Should have been more specific. I doubt Festool DE would have said something like that...

I do agree that he's not getting great in-country support.

 

[Distinctive Interiors]

I bought an OF1010 and LR32 rail a few months ago and have used it twice so far, on both occasions the 5mm holes that the OF1010 drilled were too big and the shelf studs dropped out of the holes easily.

When I used the 5mm cutter freehand in a battery drill, the holes it drilled were nice and snug.

The plunge on my OF1010 is really stiff. When I make the plunge with the 5mm cutter, I can let go of the router and it rises very, very slowly. I almost have to pull it back up. I am going to get in touch with my local Festool Rep and arrange for him to come and take a look at it, perhaps he will tell me its user error but after reading what's been posted above, I now have my doubts.

I will also check to see if there is excessive play in the tubes/pillars.

Tim.

 

[SittingElf]

I've been following this thread since the OP first started it.  I have been too lazy to go out and check my own 1010, but have finally done so this evening.

My 1010 has absolutely NO wobble or slack at all. It is rock solid throughout its plunge travel. As the previous poster mentioned, it is somewhat stiff in the plunge return, but I've seen something here somewhere about putting a little oil, wax, or spirits on the legs, so I'll have to find that again.

That all being said, I am happy that mine doesn't exhibit the problems that the OP is having, and I surely hope that Festool somewhere...whether in his home country, or in Germany... can fix the issue for him.  I wouldn't be happy with the loose wobble his video is showing.

Cheers,
Frank

 

[GarryMartin]

...I've seen something here somewhere about putting a little oil, wax, or spirits on the legs, so I'll have to find that again.

Take your pick  [big grin]

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=1010+lube+site:festoolownersgroup.com

 

[SittingElf]

...I've seen something here somewhere about putting a little oil, wax, or spirits on the legs, so I'll have to find that again.

Take your pick  [big grin]

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=1010+lube+site:festoolownersgroup.com

[thumbs up] [thumbs up]  Good on ya, sir! [big grin]

Cheers,
Frank

 

[Gary in Texas]

I really don't understand how this much play can be acceptable with the OF1010...  As "fshanno" mentioned above, using this with the LR32 system would leave your holey rail rendered useless, before and after, as your bit would be gouging out the aluminum with each plunge!

I'm not sure whether you have the LR32, but the holes in the "holey" rail are there for alignment. The router cutter does not go anywhere near them so the bit wouldn't be gouging out the aluminium with each plunge.

Having said that, in my mind, the videos clearly show an unacceptable level of "wobble" and my own OF 1010 displays no such movement and is very accurate.

I'm not questioning the original poster regarding his communications as I have no visibility of them, but I'd be amazed if Festool actually suggested buying an OF 1400 rather than an OF 1010 if you want precision.

Yup, wasn't thinking when I typed that, of course the index pin locates the holes, but that much play could still make the shelf pins holes loose/out of round/etc...

 

[Ostap]

Updating the old thread.

First, my router left in the state as it can be seen above, being confirmed by manufacturer as within tolerance. I can do my routings and live with the tool, but I don't trust it and I don't love it.

Anyway, few days ago I was helping a friend to choose a router and showed him the play of 1010 in local store. Well, I tried, but guess what -- the item on sale had no play whatsoever. The bars and plunge movement was silky smooth, no slack. Simply perfect.
So I guess it was a batch issue or (I would like to think that way ) my raised concirn made FT to adjust the production. I can't say that all new 1010 are without play, but there are items that are perfect. Test it out before bying.

 

[drax]

I had the exact same problem with mine approx. the same time as you and i think your correct about the batch issue as the OF1010's checked in store didn't exibit any play later on. Thanks to Mr.Beckley my problem was resolved with a replacement with no play. I now love this router.
Just a suggestion but a while ago I fixed an Hitachi router that had almost twice as much play in the column. Its a DU bushing that is split (same type as 1010) so I took it out filed it closed (about 0.25mm) until it slid over column snug and reinserted bushing packed with alu tape. Problem sorted.
I don't know if 1010 bushing can be extracted as easily but it maybe worth a try.

 

[glass1]

I have never handled a 1010 that did not have the play in the rods. Part of the reason I keep using my Dewalt dw615 even though I like the feel of the 1010 and the dc. I do notice a small amount of play in 1400 certainly more than the dw621. The big Makita rp2300 is solid like butter but the plunge on Palm attachment is the worst for wiggle I have ever felt.

 

[drax]

I think it depends on what one considers an acceptable tolerance for themselves. For me having the same issue with the lr32, also template work and guide bushes, I thought this was unacceptable because I wouldn't have chosen another router specifically for this kind of work, and my initial expectations were disappointing.
Consider all the hassle for the sake of a oversized bushing costing pennies. (Or maybe an undersized column?!)
Fortunately I haven't had too much trouble with play on my routers, and a fix like previously described was the best effective solution, and worth the trouble if you can.