Old hose but at 50% still a great deal

[Cheese]

I preordered 2 of those sleeved hoses when they first became available a couple of years ago. Both of those hoses have connectors WITH the male protrusions.

On the original hoses that came with the 2 vacs, the connectors on those hoses DO NOT HAVE male protrusions.

Looks like you need to find the original hose connector and swap it out.

 

[khariv]

I preordered 2 of those sleeved hoses when they first became available a couple of years ago. Both of those hoses have connectors WITH the male protrusions.

On the original hoses that came with the 2 vacs, the connectors on those hoses DO NOT HAVE male protrusions.

Looks like you need to find the original hose connector and swap it out.

I bought a sleeved hose just about a year ago and the one I received has the internal protrustions. 

I tried swapping out the end with an end that fits from a different AS hose, but the connector doesn't fit with the rest of the hose terminator components.

I haven't been able to use it on my DD because of that.  I am afraid of cobbling something together with third party unions because of the risk of breaking the anti-static connection and zapping my CT36.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I've never understood the idea that static in the hose could kill the vac. Is this something Festool has confirmed?

Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

If there isn't a ground conductor in the hose port on the vac then the whole black plastic portion of the vac housing is conductive (for static). If that is the case (or even if there is a wire conductor) any static that makes it to the black housing should preferentially be conducted to the ground conductor.

Why would static prefer to jump around non-conductive parts to zap the control board? Seems like a rumor to me. Festool sells non-AS hoses don't they? They're only supposed to be used on non-Festool vacs?

I've used an original (presumably) non-AS Dust Deputy sitting on a non-AS plastic bucket strapped to the top of a CT Mini for several years. I didn't bother to bridge the non-conductive parts.

In my experience at least 75% of the benefit of an anti-static hose comes from the hose itself weather it's attached to a static conductive vac or not.

In my shop a 20 year old old Fein Turbo vac (9.55.13) is hanging from the ceiling by a rope. An original DD is hanging nearby with a plain old Shop Vac hose from HD connecting the two. The Shop Vac version is good because it is very stiff and that keeps the bends fair. No bridging of static.

I usually use Festool AS hose with that settup and in the driest moths do get some zaps but not terrible. For clean up farther away I switch to a longer non-AS hose which makes it clear that the hose itself is the main benefactor in controlling static. Much more static with the non-AS hose both in zaps and crud clinging to the outside of the hose.

 

[ScotF]

I think the hose ends of AS hoses have carbon in then or something to make them AS as not all tool ends have metal...although the RAS does, for example.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

There is a metal conductor in the vac port.

 

[Cheese]

1. I've never understood the idea that static in the hose could kill the vac. Is this something Festool has confirmed?

2. I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

1. Hey Michael, on some previous Festool vs Dust Deputy discussions, I believe it became a finger pointing exercise between Festool & DD. However, some time later DD did come out with their redesigned grounded unit and then the Festool up-in-smoke discussion went away.  [huh]

2. There doesn't have to be a metal conductor/piece to enable the completion of a circuit. The part just needs to have the proper amount of carbon loaded material in the mix. You want to add just enough carbon black to make the connector/hose conductive but not enough to affect the processing of the product or its functionality or longevity.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

There is a metal conductor in the vac port.

I just checked my old Mini and there is a nice spring contact.
So, wouldn't a lot of static in a non-as hose be conducted away by that contact? Rather than jump to the control board?

 

[ryanjg117]

Has anyone found a solution here for attaching the sleeved hose to a Dust Deputy? Like others, I figured I could attach the end off another AS hose I had, only to realize that the SKU for the connector end of the sleeved hose is completely different, designed fatter to accommodate the sleeve material slipping underneath it. Hard to explain without photos but it looks like I'll need an adapter.

I do have the Festool Y-adapter somewhere, so maybe I'll try to get that hooked up momentarily.

 

[rst]

Just buy the Festool 493047 Hose Sleeve, $12.00 from Toolnut/Festoolproducts.  It will slip over both the Oneida and Festool fittings.

 

[Michael Kellough]

If that sleeve is big enough to fit over the Festool hose end - on both ends - then it will be way too loose on the DD.

 

[rvieceli]

Michael what is the inside diameter and the outside diameter of the UDD fitting?

 

[MGDS]

Ryan, not sure if this will help you, I too bought the sleeved hose and have a DD setup. I was able to zip-up my original hose into the sleeve, it’s a tight fit, but no issues in the 2 weeks since purchased, probably 40hrs of use so far.

 

[GoingMyWay]

My sleeved hose arrived today.  To my pleasant surprise, it came in a 90 year anniversary systainer.

 

[ear3]

Same here.  Is it my imagination, or does the sleeved hose seem slightly shorter than the normal 27mm one -- even though they are both listed at 3.5m?

My sleeved hose arrived today.  To my pleasant surprise, it came in a 90 year anniversary systainer.

 

[GoingMyWay]

Maybe?  I didn't do an actual side by side comparison.  I just took the old ribbed hose and jammed it into the new systainer and coiled the new hose into the garage of my CT26.  I will say that the old hose didn't fit into the systainer as nicely as the new one, but then again I didn't spend any time to make it a tight coil or anything like that.

 

[ear3]

I'm not crazy.  Here are the pics to prove it -- about a 10" difference including the fittings (though maybe you give back an inch or two if the hoses were both laid out perfectly straight):

Maybe?  I didn't do an actual side by side comparison.  I just took the old ribbed hose and jammed it into the new systainer and coiled the new hose into the garage of my CT26.  I will say that the old hose didn't fit into the systainer as nicely as the new one, but then again I didn't spend any time to make it a tight coil or anything like that.

 

[GoingMyWay]

Wow, that is interesting!  I'd have assumed it was the exact same hose, just one in the sleeve - evidently not.  I wonder why the sleeved hose is shorter.

 

[Peter_C]

I was curious so I shoved my tape measure and covered hose into the dust extractor to hold one end, and gently pulled the hose straight. I got 3580mm roughly from outside of end to outside of end. It would easily stretch further, but my goal wasn't to stretch the hose.

Ear3's older hose may just be well used and stretched out??

Bought one hose, received it, saw this thread pop back up after using said hose, and wound up buying another one weeks ago. Shocked they still have inventory to sell. Beaver Tools must have bought a truck load. With the Sys 3 included, that I am promptly repurposing into an Abranet holder, it is a no brainer purchase(s). One hose lives in the hose garage, and the other is stored in a Sys 4 that holds all my cleaning tools, adapters, helping hand, etc.

Been trying to figure out how to setup an automatic blast gate system so I can run two tools without having to make any changes, just GO! There comes a point buying another dust extractor might just be wiser. No one seems to make an automatic 2 1/4" blast gate, and it would need to be electric, not pneumatic.

 

[ryanjg117]

Interesting find on the shorter hose. I also noticed that once I replaced my boom arm hose with the sleeved version, things always seemed just about 6" too short... I'm going to have to take measurements now to see if this is an epidemic.