One for the Aussies...

[Stephen B]

Just received an email from my Festool  dealer that confirms the annual Jan 1 Price Rises for Australia.

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[size=12pt]And to quote the email -
2016 is nearly at an end & Festool Australia is the only Tool Supplier to have a Price Rise on the 1st Day of the 2017 Year. All prices will change on 2nd January 2017, so get in quick to secure a 2016 prices. Full . . . . . .
http://preview.mailerlite.com/s3t3p7/527670167191161893/k0a5/

 

[Grakat]

Wonder how much?

Then around April there will be a sale......with the prices on select equipment at 2016 prices.

I thought they had to get approval from their mates at the ACCC to increase prices under their price fixing deal. With the letters that the ACCC have received from us about TTTS not meeting their obligations under the price fixing deal the price increase should have been refused.

 

[Kev]

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member] [member=59890]Grakat[/member]

Yeh .. another price rise as an "annual event". Just like Christmas - only difference is it's Christmas for Tooltechnic and screw the Australian Festool buyers.

There's very few additional Festool products I would want and probably only the Conturo would be something I'd consider. Once I've settled "up north" I'll sell the stuff I rationally don't need and start to look for a good way to source Festool from Europe (I won't feel guilty either as I don't have any soft spots for Festool dealers in QLD and certainly not for Tooltechnic).

Who knows, I may even get as radical as [member=40772]Holmz[/member] when it comes to sourcing tools [big grin]

All said though, if I did get a Conturo I'd probably relent and buy it locally as it's one tool that could have warranty issues that'd be very expensive to get fixed with a return Europe trip overhead [sad]

 

[Stephen B]

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Wonder how much?

Then around April there will be a sale......with the prices on select equipment at 2016 prices.

I thought they had to get approval from their mates at the ACCC to increase prices under their price fixing deal. With the letters that the ACCC have received from us about TTTS not meeting their obligations under the price fixing deal the price increase should have been refused.

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[member=59890]Grakat[/member]
We wish! [big grin] Tooltechnic Aust  have approval to fix the price so Dealers can not discount. They do not have to get ACCC aproval to increase those prices.  [mad]
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[member=13058]Kev[/member]
You may have to sell some of those Festools to purchase -

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[Kev]

[member=13058]Kev[/member]
You may have to sell some of those Festools to purchase -

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Yes [member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member] we're still looking for a local importer of the Chernobyl Holstein cattle breed ... I believe we could successfully use them for milk, beef and to power the micro reactor on the farm [big grin]

 

[Stephen B]

[member=13058]Kev[/member]
You may have to sell some of those Festools to purchase -

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Yes [member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member] we're still looking for a local importer of the Chernobyl Holstein cattle breed ... I believe we could successfully [size=18pt]use them for milk, [size=12pt]beef and to power the micro reactor on the farm [big grin]

[size=13pt][member=13058]Kev[/member]
Festool Milk; a new perspective on 'drinking the Kool Aid'.  [big grin]

 

[Holmz]

...
Who knows, I may even get as radical as [member=40772]Holmz[/member] when it comes to sourcing tools [big grin]
...

I have never cheap referred to as radical.

When one can buy a MT55 for less than a locally sourced TS55, it seems a no brainer.

But I was a chemist, then I would prefer to be a free radical.

 

[Kev]

...
Who knows, I may even get as radical as [member=40772]Holmz[/member] when it comes to sourcing tools [big grin]
...

I have never cheap referred to as radical.

When one can buy a MT55 for less than a locally sourced TS55, it seems a no brainer.

But I was a chemist, then I would prefer to be a free radical.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] to be fair, I didn't completely label you as a radical - just one area of your behaviour [wink] [big grin]

If I could be 99% certain a service issue wouldn't arise I'd wholly agree too .. I guess I'm more of a pessimist, which is strange when I've never had a Festool warranty issue!

 

[Holmz]

[member=13058]Kev[/member]

I am sure 99% of Kapex are trouble free, and >99% of MT55s or Lamello Zetas are also trouble free.

Being a radical is a matter of perspective. In the grand scheme I am a pussycat.

 

[Kev]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] as soon as I settle and get sorted in a new place a DD40 is on the shopping list .. and you know for sure that's a Euro buy!!

( I really wish there was one model with a gearbox instead of two [mad] )

 

[Pykie]

Over half of my Festool arsenal is sourced from the UK and Italy, bought a bunch when the dollar was strong a couple of years ago. Was about a 50% saving.

I've just picked up a Hl-850 with the angle stop and bench unit for about $650 Aus out of the U.K.

I'm yet to encounter a warranty issue with any Festool kit I've bought so I'm fairly confident in doing it.

 

[Grakat]

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

The last time I read the determination for the price fixing deal there were levels of monitoring for prices across certain tools and pricing had to be reviewed by the ACCC prior to implementation.

Doesn't mean its been followed though, as TTTS do not appear to have held up their end of the bargain.

 

[Stephen B]

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

The last time I read the determination for the price fixing deal there were levels of monitoring for prices across certain tools and pricing had to be reviewed by the ACCC prior to implementation.

Doesn't mean its been followed though, as TTTS do not appear to have held up their end of the bargain.

[size=13pt]Hi [member=59890]Grakat[/member]

Whilst the ACCC Determination Document of 38 pages is at times clouded in legal speak, the actual Determination Clause on page 33 states -

Conduct for which the ACCC grants authorisation
162. The ACCC grants conditional authorisation A91433 to Tooltechnic to amend its agreements with its Festool dealers to include a requirement for resellers to not sell any Festool product below a price(s) nominated by Tooltechnic, until
31 December 2018.

The key words with regard to annual price rises are
'. . . . below a price(s) nominated by Tooltechnic . . .'

As you know, I certainly share your frustration!  [eek]

Stephen

 

[Holmz]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] as soon as I settle and get sorted in a new place a DD40 is on the shopping list .. and you know for sure that's a Euro buy!!
...

Sell your LR32 stuff and you can get one of them.

 

[Pykie]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] as soon as I settle and get sorted in a new place a DD40 is on the shopping list .. and you know for sure that's a Euro buy!!

( I really wish there was one model with a gearbox instead of two [mad] )

I'm a builder and hobby joiner.

What advantages applications are there for the DD40 over a domino?

 

[Holmz]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] as soon as I settle and get sorted in a new place a DD40 is on the shopping list .. and you know for sure that's a Euro buy!!

( I really wish there was one model with a gearbox instead of two [mad] )

I'm a builder and hobby joiner.

What advantages applications are there for the DD40 over a domino?

If you did a lot of 32-mm holes then the DD40 does those, as well as dowels.
For big work the DD40 and the 700 domino overlap a lot.

Thin dominos probably work better for thin wood than dowels.
But for sheets the lamello ClampeX or Tenso are ideal... Or maybe biscuits.

I am not sure there is an overall "right answer", as a proper mortise and tenon are the strongest. But an LR-32, router, and domino are probably more $, € or £ than a DD40 and castleated rail.

 

[Kev]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] as soon as I settle and get sorted in a new place a DD40 is on the shopping list .. and you know for sure that's a Euro buy!!

( I really wish there was one model with a gearbox instead of two [mad] )

I'm a builder and hobby joiner.

What advantages applications are there for the DD40 over a domino?

The DD40 would make shelf pins a doddle ... just another toy to play with otherwise.

 

[Stephen B]

[size=13pt]Well the Festool Jan 1 price rises are now known. For example  now -

Kapex 120 - A$1945.00
Domino 500 - A$1550.00
Domino 700 - A$2150.00
TS55R - A$950.00
HK55 with FSK420 - A$835.00
ROTEX 150 - A$965.00

More on Festool Aust. Website.

Overall increases are 'moderate to high''; for example the HK55/FSK420 deal was A$810.00. That's roughly an 8% increase. So the yearly creep in prices continues, and within a market in which many other brands have decreased their prices through competition.

 

[Rollin22Petes]

Although we still have a couple months here in the US before our annual price increase. In my opinion these once a year increases are getting out of control regardless of any economic factors Festool goes up. Seems to me if you want to attract new customers this is not the way to did it. I like most of my Festool gear but some of it is not that much better than some other brands that sell at a fraction of the cost.

 

[Kev]

[size=13pt]Well the Festool Jan 1 price rises are now known. For example  now -

Kapex 120 - A$1945.00
Domino 500 - A$1550.00
Domino 700 - A$2150.00
TS55R - A$950.00
HK55 with FSK420 - A$835.00
ROTEX 150 - A$965.00

More on Festool Aust. Website.

Overall increases are 'moderate to high''; for example the HK55/FSK420 deal was A$810.00. That's roughly an 8% increase. So the yearly creep in prices continues, and within a market in which many other brands have decreased their prices through competition.

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

Tooltechnic are driving Australians to source their gear from overseas ... Tools from Europe and accessories from the US will probably be much more common. Shipping consolidation services make a lot of sense and will only become more popular.