One for the Aussies...

[Stephen B]

[size=10pt]Congrats Untidy!
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Perhaps FOGgers are automatically disqualified as fanboys who need no further encouragement?

[size=13pt] Ben, given some of the comments in this thread, that is most likely!!  [big grin]

[size=10pt]But the good news is I just got the all clear on a large Polyp recently removed from my bowel.
[member=13058]Kev[/member]

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That's the sort of news I like to hear [thumbs up]
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(is the use of the thumbs up emoji in good taste in this context?)

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

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Well Kev that emoji thumb is a lot smaller than the last
instrument that was . . . . . .!!  [eek] [eek] [eek] [big grin] [big grin]
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Thanks Kev and Ben for your best wishes.
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[member=40271]benwheeler[/member]  [member=13058]Kev[/member]

 

[bryan1982]

http://blog.festool.com.au

I won the c18 

Cheers 

Bryan

As toy can see, I've won all nine tools and there's flying me to Hawaii for the gifting ceremony ...

I don't think any of those winners are FOGgers and I'd find that really hard to believe!

I'm consoling myself because I already have all of the prize tools anyway, but anything would have been cool for my son [sad]

I suppose I'm just lucky in love [wink] [big grin]

 

[Stephen B]

[size=13pt]Great News Bryan, congratulations.

[size=8pt][member=2768]bryan1982[/member]

 

[Kev]

[member=2768]bryan1982[/member] you've made me 11.1% less depressed [wink]

 

[Stephen B]

[size=14pt]No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

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[Holmz]

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

 

[Stephen B]

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

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Well I am one of those Bunnings Experts (Expert -  Drip Under Preasure). We are constantly told, if you do not know don't advise. Perhaps your 'expert' should have looked at the following website -

http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/paint-decorating/paint/wood-finishes/varnish

But then again perhaps they did!  [eek]

For the answer -
http://www.silive.com/homegarden/homeimprovement/index.ssf/2009/07/the_pros_and_cons_of_lacquers.html

http://durobond.com.au/our-coatings/lacquers/

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

[size=10pt]For the benefit of those outside Australia, Bunnings is the largest hardware chain in Australia and New Zealand. Business plan is based upon the NAmerican big box concept such as Harbour Freight.

 

[DB10]

[size=14pt]No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

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Yep got the email that says,
  "It's that time of year again when Festool has their Happy New Year January 1st Price rise".
Can't help but feel there is a touch of sarcasm in their email, Can't blame them really, must be frustrating for the dealers trying to justify the rise to their customers each year.

 

[Bohdan]

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

 

[Holmz]

Thanks [member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member] & [member=36526]Bohdan[/member] .

 

[Kev]

[size=14pt]No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

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[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Festool bread and butter differentiation of DC, track saw, etc is fast vanishing ..

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

 

[Mike B]

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

 

[Holmz]

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

It is a long drive to Geelong (go the Cats), but I have contacted Durabond.

What is the experience with a 2-pac automotive clear? I suspect that the coefficient of expansion is not well matched to wood so it might craze. But it is locally available.

I am looking to apply it onto Veneer, which could be tung/linseed oiled first...
I suppose some test pieces might be what I SHOULD do?

 

[peter halle]

If my memory is correct Tooltechnics of Australia and only one or two others have a different company structure than the rest of the world.  I have met the trainer for Festool Australia and he is one of the coolest guys I've met.  I understand that they do read this forum, but at the risk of upsetting the cart - also send an email directly to them and express your concerns.

Peter

 

[Stephen B]

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Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

It is a long drive to Geelong (go the Cats), but I have contacted Durabond.

What is the experience with a 2-pac automotive clear? I suspect that the coefficient of expansion is not well matched to wood so it might craze. But it is locally available.

I am looking to apply it onto Veneer, which could be tung/linseed oiled first...
I suppose some test pieces might be what I SHOULD do?

[size=13pt]Gee if this topic keeps going, I may have to log on at work before next weekend!  [eek]  [smile]

Anyway Holmz, speaking of two pack, have you seen -

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[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

 

[Holmz]

Yeah [member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]  I've seen it.
I suppose maybe I should give it a whirl.

Looking for something which is pretty hard so it can be polished. I like the idea of lacquer as it seems relatively easy to repair.
Also assuming like most 2 part epoxy systems that it needs a top coat which is a UV inhibiter?

The last time I used a 2 part epoxy on veneer it was a challenge.
The worst part was when the big red back hiding inside the painting mask decided to have a gnaw on the Haus-Boss's nose.
Her nose wasn't too out of joint from it, but I check my mask and keep it in a large zip lock baggie now.

 

[Stephen B]

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Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

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The far superior promotion of Festool products Down Under [apart from a few excellent dealers often mentioned on this thread], is this Forum.
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However probably not always this particular thread during the past twelve months.    [smile]

[member=13058]Kev[/member] [member=6299]Mike B[/member]

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No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

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[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Festool bread and butter differentiation of DC, track saw, etc is fast vanishing ..

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

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Mmmmmmm Kev, if memory serves me correct you said something like this after the last price rise! Now let me think a minute; haven't you in the past twelve months purchased an HKC, and  a X, and a Y and oh yeah, a Z?!  [smile] [big grin] [smile] [big grin] [big grin]
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[member=13058]Kev[/member]

 

[Kev]

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member] [embarassed] [embarassed]

I'm pretty certain I've (maybe with the exception of one, possibly two) only purchased the new tools and accessories).

... and I still haven't dropped the pennies for a Conturo, though I think that'll be a pickup on a Europe trip [wink]

(I do have 5 lifetimes worth of edge banding after all)

 

[Larso]

The most common finishing products in joinery shops are single pack lacquers generally mirotone or wattly industrial coatings,the intermediate step between the single pack and two pack poly is an acid catalysed two part lacquer. Mostly.
Shellac is a very easy forgiving product you can buff to a brilliant gloss and not as toxic at home but not as hard as other finishes.

Two pack auto products work just as well on timber in general and i have seen many brands used over time.If you are worried about movement etc you can add a flex aid commonly used when painting plastic motorbike mudguards and the paint wont crack.We used to use Standox automotive during shop fit outs where the counters were curved and the facing was cut from kerf board painted in the workshop rolled up and fitted on site.

Wattyl Timberline is an industrial product that is a re branding of a spartan automotive acrylic which is pretty good for pigmented finishes.

 

[Kev]

Just saw the Ideatools e-update ... offering finance and "order before Christmas".

Is this simply a more subtle approach to the looming price hike? [blink]

For a giggle I thought I'll create a shopping basket with EVERYTHING I could add from Festool and save it. Then I'll do it again in the new year and see just how significant the hike has been.

Back on the behaviour of Tooltechnic ... resellers crave promotions to have a reason to go out to customers. One look at the Idealtools e-update and you ask yourself "why am I reading this?"