Oneida's new Supercell collector

[DynaGlide]

https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/awfs/awfs-news/oneidas-new-supercell-dust-collector-delivers-8x-static-pressure

Looks like I might finally get a dust collector in my small shop. To be released next month.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

That looks interesting.

 

[RKA]

That's interesting.  Can you post more info when it becomes available?  I'm curious about the CFM specs.  This seems like an updated version of their Dust Cobra which will work on a range of hand held tools and machines.

 

[Svar]

Looks like modified Dust Cobrahttps://www.oneida-air.com/industrial-dust-cobra-full-unit-hepa-2-stage-vacuum-17-gallon
245 CFM at 23" WC, Maximum Suction 70" WC
It's a shop vac on top of cyclone, no magic there. I'd be surprised if Supercell is any different.

 

[live4ever]

Interesting.  If it’s also quieter than a traditional collector I’ll buy one immediately.

 

[RaptorScrew]

We'll see how this goes - Just delivered this week.  Will set up this weekend and go from there.

 

[JimD]

Interesting but more specifications are needed.  Like how much current does it draw?  More static pressure equals less airflow.  That is why shop vacs don't flow what DCs are.  Oneida may have made a good tradeoff and produced something really interesting but, if so, where is the data?  I am skeptical.  My HF 2hp DC only gives me about 400 CFM at the table saw hooked with 5 inch metal pipe almost all the way.  That works but is not overly powerful.  I don't know how much lower would work but my 100 CFM shop vac did not.  If it is like the 245CFM dust cobra it would probably not work so great.  And I need more air at my CMS and planner, I think, they are not hooked up yet. 

I am skeptical that anything 120V with high static pressure capability flows enough for the larger tools.  The capability of just moving a hose around and hooking up any tool in the shop is interesting I am just not sure it has the CFM for bigger tools.  I suspect it is a super shop vac - like the dust cobra.  That is not terrible but if that's what it is, I think a DC and shop vac are still required to cover the range of shop tools I want to use. 

 

[RKA]

Jim, I am as skeptical as you.  It seems like this would work well for small shops, while minimally meeting the demands of a machine with a 4” port.

Their specs indicate 5hp, 17A, 230V, 415cfm @ 3” WC.  The link below has the specs under the specs tab.  In the pictures of the unit, cycle to the last picture and they provide a chart that will provide a better sense of the airflow as the size of the port on the tool changes. 

I think if I had portable machines with 2.5” ports and smaller, this would be the ticket with 350 cfm of airflow, but matching or slightly exceeding a vacuum or DE with 1.25” ports.  I agree with you, at 4” and larger ports it’s a tough sell, unless the smaller size of this all in one cyclone meets a requirement.

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/new-systems/supercell/supercell-high-pressure-14-gal-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector

 

[alainp]

We'll see how this goes - Just delivered this week.  Will set up this weekend and go from there.

Any feedback you want to share? I am looking to improve dust collection in my shop and this looks too good to be true (except the price)

 

[egmiii]

If price is an issue and you have the space, then you could build your own. Three shop vacs and three mini cyclones in parallel would give you equal or better performance. They just take up a lot more floor space. I did it for $750.

 

[Bob D.]

I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]

 

[Michael Kellough]

Interesting.  If it’s also quieter than a traditional collector I’ll buy one immediately.

Remains to be seen, or heard. As implied above, the Supercell uses three 220v vac fan motors in one housing.

 

[egmiii]

I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]

It’s loud as hell. But I always wear 30db hearing protection while working, so it doesn’t really matter. Long term plan is to build a small closet.

 

[Gregor]

eight times the static pressure of traditional units

Static pressure is completely meaningless - unless you want to build a vacuum chamber.

The metric relevant for dust extraction is amount-of-air per timespan moved (cfm or m³/h, depending on your kind of units) at the pressures that exist at inlet and outlet of the (whatever kind of) 'pump' you employ.

 

[Svar]

eight times the static pressure of traditional units

Static pressure is completely meaningless - unless you want to build a vacuum chamber.
The metric relevant for dust extraction is amount-of-air per timespan moved (cfm or m³/h, depending on your kind of units) at the pressures that exist at inlet and outlet of the (whatever kind of) 'pump' you employ.

Static pressure is absolutely meaningful. Three basic parameters that describe your system are static pressure that pump can deliver, air flow rate, and friction losses in your duct network. All three are interrelated.
(Good analogy is electrical circuit. In this analogy static pressure is voltage. Is voltage a meaningless metric?).

In this particular Supercell unit high static pressure means you can connect it to a hand power tool with a long narrow hose and it will collect dust. Something you can't do with traditional high flow, low pressure stationary dust collector.

 

[ChuckM]

I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]

Probably like working under a running airplane engine. [eek]

I built a box to house a shop vac and the result was pleasantly surprising:https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/366049

In terms of dust filtration, I've built one with a furnace fan (used with three furnace filters, 1 in (nylon type, washable) 2 out), and again I can't be happier. The unit is mounted on castors so it is low on the floor and can be wheeled closer to the source of dust generation. I don't like the idea that the filtration system is mounted overhead and dust is sucked up.

In practical terms: I recently jointed lengths of boards on the sawstop (with the dust collection blade guard in place). Because they were edge cuts, lots of dust could still be seen on the table. After an hour of work with the furnace system running, there were no visible dust particles found on my glasses! My shop is about 200  - 220 sq ft.

I have another spare furnace fan from my neighbor but have yet to find time to build a second system. (I paid $60 Cdn for the first fan unit.)

 

[johnyhuh]

We'll see how this goes - Just delivered this week.  Will set up this weekend and go from there.

I’m also looking for a dust collector for a small shop in a garage. Space is extremely valuable. Thought of getting 2-3HP DC, but 48” width is just not bearable in a tight space.

This unit looks promising, but sure do not want an airplane taking off noise in the shop.

Wondering what your experience is like.

 

[Stan Tillinghast]

Here’s a Fine Woodworking review from last year; may be behind pay wall.
Author says it works great and is quiet.

Fine Woodworking review of Oneida Supercell

 

[ChuckM]

To be honest, I haven't come across yet any reviews on new products in Fine Woodworking that are negative. $300 handsaw, nice; $350 fret saw, beautiful; $750 chisel set, great design. You get my point. I suspect all the new items are received free by the reviewers. Sometimes, it's hard to tell if it's infotainment or subtle ad in magazine reviews.

Chris Schwarz makes it a point that he pays for the items he reviews.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I suspect the real appeal of the Supercell is for a small shop where the user doesn't want to have both a traditional dust collector (high volume, low static pressure) AND a "shop vac"/CT dust extractor (low volume, high pressure).

The Dust Cobra "sort of" bridged the gap with 200+ cfm and good static pressure, but it was really never up to the task for machines with 4" ports. The Supercell seems targeted at those machines with 4" ports (router tables, smaller jointers and planers, etc...), while still handling sanders, saws, and other machines that might use a 27mm hose.

Alas, my needs are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, as most of my machines have 5" ports and require 600-800cfm, or are better served with a CT-style machine. That being said, it's great to see Oneida continue to innovate, I hope some woodworkers out there find this to be a good fit for their shops.