Painting Doors using HVLP

tjbnwi said:
The TDS for KA+ Clear;
http://www.woodweb.com/images_forums_public/finishing/KemAquaPlus.pdf

They give you the choice of DPM or BS to thin the product. I use the Enduro Extender which is DPM, I'd get it from my SW dealer, but for some reason they don't stock it.

Under cleaning, they do not recommend a cleaning agent. They tell you to flush with water after cleaning, then use a 2 to 1 ratio of water to BS to prevent rusting.

TDS KA+ White;
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They do not call DPM or BS a thinner, they call it a retarder. The White s very susceptible to micro foaming. Blending either in the product is initially a challenge. The thinner they recommend his water.

Cleaning they do recommend water, then treat with the 2 to 1 water to BS to prevent rusting.

Once dried, water, soapy water will not affect any waterborne I know of. Until it is cured all of them I know if can be cleaned or thinned with water.

A good gun cleaning kit is a must for any gun owner.

The micro foaming of KA + White is what is holding me back from getting a 395, 595 or Merkur 28:1 AAA. Working on the district rep to try them all before I decide.

Tom
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My bad!  I misread the clean up.  Thanks for setting me straight.
 
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member] nice videos, it appears that you actually know what you are doing. My hat...off!
 
Tom,

Thank you for all your efforts to help others here!

Peter
 
Scott Burt said:
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member] nice videos, it appears that you actually know what you are doing. My hat...off!
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I had to break the video into 5 parts.

Here's part 3, at 1:25 you can hear the nozzle become partially plugged. Problems like these are why I don't edit my videos.


Tom
 
I hear ya. I edit ours to get hours of footage condensed to minutes. Thinking of doing all time lapse for a while.

I know what you mean about the clogs. You can kind of sense when one is coming, despite all of the alternative methods we throw in to keep them at bay...

I enjoy your videos. The proof is always is in the pudding.
 
Last of the series (there is one more of 15 seconds, nothing to see).

If your looking for a handheld get the new one with the collapsable liner.


Tom
 
wptski said:
tjbnwi said:
The TDS for KA+ Clear;
http://www.woodweb.com/images_forums_public/finishing/KemAquaPlus.pdf

They give you the choice of DPM or BS to thin the product. I use the Enduro Extender which is DPM, I'd get it from my SW dealer, but for some reason they don't stock it.

Under cleaning, they do not recommend a cleaning agent. They tell you to flush with water after cleaning, then use a 2 to 1 ratio of water to BS to prevent rusting.

TDS KA+ White;
webP
DF.jsp?SITEID=SWOEM&lang=E&doctype=PDS&prodno=M64W521

They do not call DPM or BS a thinner, they call it a retarder. The White s very susceptible to micro foaming. Blending either in the product is initially a challenge. The thinner they recommend his water.

Cleaning they do recommend water, then treat with the 2 to 1 water to BS to prevent rusting.

Once dried, water, soapy water will not affect any waterborne I know of. Until it is cured all of them I know if can be cleaned or thinned with water.

A good gun cleaning kit is a must for any gun owner.

The micro foaming of KA + White is what is holding me back from getting a 395, 595 or Merkur 28:1 AAA. Working on the district rep to try them all before I decide.

Tom
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My bad!  I misread the clean up.  Thanks for setting me straight.
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It happens, I could not even recall what color I shot. We went through at least 20 gallons on the job. Have another phase coming up it will be more. Good thing I have the recipe/formula.

Tom
 
Thats a great example of the challenge of the handhelds. I couldn't see in the vid if yours has the swinging down tube or if it is one of the molded plastic fixed ones. Directionality is key inside the can with that design, and man do you have to move. Great to see the mil gauge out on every coat...
 
Molded plastic Scott. I had the "leg" pointing towards the tip, this forced the tube to the handle side of the cup. When I tilted the gun the fluid ran forward leaving the pick up exposed. My bad...

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
It happens, I could not even recall what color I shot. We went through at least 20 gallons on the job. Have another phase coming up it will be more. Good thing I have the recipe/formula.

Tom
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What was the scope of the job that would need 20 gallons of material?

Funny, I just started a text file with material and gun settings.
 
tjbnwi said:
Molded plastic Scott. I had the "leg" pointing towards the tip, this forced the tube to the handle side of the cup. When I tilted the gun the fluid ran forward leaving the pick up exposed. My bad...

Tom
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The Graco model I have has a flexible weighted pick up tube to help that issue.
 
wptski said:
tjbnwi said:
It happens, I could not even recall what color I shot. We went through at least 20 gallons on the job. Have another phase coming up it will be more. Good thing I have the recipe/formula.

Tom
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What was the scope of the job that would need 20 gallons of material?

Funny, I just started a text file with material and gun settings.
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A lot of cabinets, doors, edging.

The text file should only be a starting point, things while spraying can change day to day,

Tom
 
Delivery of 3/4 of an order, total was 480 doors.

Care to take a guess at finish volume?

Tom
 

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tjbnwi said:
Delivery of 3/4 of an order, total was 480 doors.

Care to take a guess at finish volume?

Tom
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I'll pass on that guess!  [big grin]
 
wptski said:
tjbnwi said:
Delivery of 3/4 of an order, total was 480 doors.

Care to take a guess at finish volume?

Tom
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I'll pass on that guess!  [big grin]
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Simple math.

30" x 80" x 2 x 480 x 2/350. = 45.71429 add for the edges. The product comes in 5's so 10-5's of KA+ and 5-5's of sealer.

Edit---10 gallons of BAC stain also.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
Simple math.

30" x 80" x 2 x 480 x 2/350. = 45.71429 add for the edges. The product comes in 5's so 10-5's of KA+ and 5-5's of sealer.

Edit---10 gallons of BAC stain also.

Tom
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I actually just was doing that!  Don't know where you got your formula from but 1 sq/in=.00694444 sq/ft so 30 x 80 is 2400 sq/in.  So 2400 x .00694444=16.66 x 2 is 33.33 sq/ft per door without the edges.  Am I having a senior moment? [big grin]
 
wptski said:
tjbnwi said:
Simple math.

30" x 80" x 2 x 480 x 2/350. = 45.71429 add for the edges. The product comes in 5's so 10-5's of KA+ and 5-5's of sealer.

Edit---10 gallons of BAC stain also.

Tom
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I actually just was doing that!  Don't know where you got your formula from but 1 sq/in=.00694444 sq/ft so 30 x 80 is 2400 sq/in.  So 2400 x .00694444=16.66 x 2 is 33.33 sq/ft per door without the edges.  Am I having a senior moment? [big grin]
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Your area number is correct, I did not show the sub totals.

The 45.71429 is the total number of gallons to spray the faces.

The edges are 2.1 square feet per door.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
Your area number is correct, I did not show the sub totals.

The 45.71429 is the total number of gallons to spray the faces.

The edges are 2.1 square feet per door.

Tom
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I see!  I get a little bit more for the edges at 2.5 sq/ft.

Are those doors pre-sanded or do you have to do all that to?
 
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